Set facing overbet jam on flush completing turn
1/2 NL Friday early evening
H - competent image, haven't gotten out of line.
V - real unknown to H, young cambodian, or thai kid. Came to the table with about 1k in big denom tables. Game is only 300 max BI
Only real HH of note, a little fuzzy so not 100% accurate. V calls a pf open, either makes a flop bet or calls a bet, and a small river jam and lost to 99 on the following board;
Ts6h5s9s2h
OTTH
V (250ish effective) opens to 10 UTG, one caller in MP, H calls with 4h4c in BB
Flop (30ish)
Js4s2h
Hx, V bets 20, V2 folds, H just calls, would have xr if V2 had called.
Turn (70ish)
Js4s2hTs
H x (prob bad in hindsight, a good portion of the time V will also x back and I lose value), V however overbet jams for 225....H?
I range V on JT, KQss, overpairs containing a spade, maybe babyflushes...H sigh calls, sigh folds, etc?
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Brutal spot. Should probably fold getting this price but could this ever be worse value (JTs, AsAx, etc)? Doesn’t make sense for a flush to play this way. If he has worse value it’s a call.
I would raise flop 100% of the time too.
Snap call
If he has JJ/TT or played a flush like a ******ed farm animal and just so happened to catch us at the peak of our range....then gg to him.
This line is so often a bluff/semi-bluff and so rarely value.
I am NOT folding to a guy buying in with degen chips nor am I flatting flop. If he has a flush good for him.
PRE - seems ok. I never earned my pre-flop police badge, so I can't scold you for not folding.
FLOP - bruh. Just x/r. I'd probably make it $115 and prepare to jam any turn that doesn't complete his obvious draws.
TURN - that card is a muthafukka. Just check and prepare to fold to his snap jam.
As played, seems like he's letting us off the hook. Just fold and swim away.
Do not fold lol.
I range V on JT, KQss, overpairs containing a spade, maybe babyflushes...H sigh calls, sigh folds, etc?
Think this is a terrible range. It's probably impossible to know what his range is, but this is more like your range if you are told you have to bet flop and shove turn for 3x pot.
I wouldn't be shocked if V had As7s, but I wouldn't be shocked if V had AsTx/Qs9x/... and there's a lot more combos. of random stuff that assumes you are folding almost everything but has some equity if you call.
Would also just pile money in on flop if playing well ... being balanced here is terrible, and if you are going to do that kind of thing it's very hard to make up for the $8 you overcalled preflop for pure set value.
Can understand the desire to fold turn without reads, but if you are going to do that kind of thing it's very hard...
Results - H thinks for about 45 seconds, flicks in the call.
River is another baby spade, H says 'thats not a good card for me', shows his set, V says your good and folds face up AhJd.......
Ahh, yes, the secret third category of hands ... random stuff that assumes you are folding almost everything but has almost no equity vs. the range that calls.
