USA Goes to War Against Iran

FWIW I am of the opinion that the Islamic republic of Iran should be taken at their word they are essentially at permanent war with the Us and Israel and will be until the US completely vacates the region and Israel ceases to exist. And there is no indication this stance will moderate at all on any time horizon I can see.

So short of giving in to their demands, conflict with them is inevitable and perpetual. It is simply a matter of intensity.

Should we have initiated a high intensity, kinetic operation against them right now? I really don’t know. But war with them will be perpetual and inevitable until they (the Islamic republic) are gone or we are gone.

And the Tucker woke right argument Iran has no beef with us and we none with them and this is all the Jews fault, I categorically reject as tankie/islamist propaganda.

Also FWIW, Phil Gordon has been making the rounds on media/social media; and I find his arguments just as disingenuous and ahistorical as anything coming out of Tuckerstan. When a group has spent 47 years telling and showing you exactly who they are, you should probably take this at face value.

So, we bomb them until they like us? Or just obliterate them with nukes?

Seriously, we've been doing this for a long time and it hasn't and isn't working. Maybe we try something else.

I stated explicitly that he didn't seem like someone I wanted in government, no matter what his views on the Iran war were.

Thank god the US isn't doing anything right now to create more generations of US hating Iranians. I bet the fathers and mothers of those dead kids will thank the heavens the US has stepped in and helped.

If only lessons could be learned from history, you wouldn't be talking like a demented warmonger.

Neither. They want a new training ground after Afghanistan and what better opponent then a bunch of masochistic martyrs to fuel it. It's a cute relationship.

The scary part is you just know nukes have been brought up in the White House in some capacity and probably many times by a guy wearing a diaper.

Israel would just love to launch out some nukes and Trump can be persuaded to join in if Bibi tells him how great he is and how nuking countries would solidify his prowess as a powerful and most influential US president of all time.

He wants to act quickly before his mind turns into liquid shiit.

As long as Muslims are killed in large numbers, Dunyain couldn't give 2 shits. He's been actively celebrating the slaughter happening in Gaza, this is no different.

and now for some antisemitism from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/17/uk-security-adviser-attended-us-iran-talks-and-judged-deal-was-within-reach

the Guardian

UK security adviser attended US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach

I honestly don't know much about witkoff, but kushner is an idiot that is WAY over his head trying to get involved in geopolitics.

We're not going to give Putin that precedent.

From 3/2

You know the only reason why Iran has "nuclear ambitions" is because Trump tore up the nuclear deal? They were already contained and complying, but ja boy Trump couldn't let Obama take a win and here we are.

Also, the nuclear nonsense was just a pretext to start a war to make billionaires more money. Something something about history rhyming.

hes a genocidal Supremacist monster but so what? plenty of them around.

He's not providing the services he was paid for

Well, Trump I believe to be mainly motivated by his own ego, so I don’t think we should be attributing him with any motives or strategy behind this.

Putting that aside, it seems to me that what you would call neocons in the US and Israel believe Iran's current state of weakness is an opportunity too good to pass up. If 10/7 had never happened and Irans proxies werent severely degraded, and they weren’t tremendously weak and unpopular domestically, I don’t think any attack on Iran directly would have happened.

Whether this gamble by the neocons will be proven to be the correct move or not, we will only know looking back. If the IRGC does fall in the near/medium term and is replaced by a better govt that isn’t terrorizing everyone in the region, especially their own people, history will look back fondly on the operation, and likely even Trump himself.

There appears to be a considerable hatred for the IRGC within Iran and I don't know of anyone who has family or lived in the area who says otherwise.

According to Gamaan ...

§ The survey “Iranians’ Attitudes Toward the 2022 Nationwide Protests” was conducted
between December 21–31, 2022. Around 200,000 respondents participated in and
completed this survey. Over 158,000 respondents were inside Iran, and over 42,000
respondents were outside the country. The survey results based on respondents inside
the country represent the target population of literate Iranian adults above 19 years old
(equal to 90% of the total adult population), with respective credibility levels and credibility
intervals of 95% and 5%. This report’s results cannot be said to be representative of all
Iranians in the diaspora; however, given the large sample size, the balanced distribution
of the sample, and the participation of respondents from 130 countries, the report’s results
can be seen to reflect the views of a significant part of Iranians outside the country.
§ In response to the question “Islamic Republic: Yes or No?” 81% of respondents inside the
country responded “No” to the Islamic Republic, 15% responded “Yes,” and 4% were not
sure. Of the Iranian respondents abroad, 99% responded “No,” opting against the Islamic
Republic.
§ Those who answered “No” to the Islamic Republic or “I do not know” in the question on a
referendum about the Islamic Republic were asked a follow-up question about their
preferred democratic and secular alternative regime type. Of those, 28% inside Iran and
32% outside Iran would prefer a presidential republic, 12% inside Iran and 29% outside
Iran would prefer a parliamentary republic regime type, and 22% inside Iran and 25%
outside Iran would prefer a constitutional monarchy.
§ Regarding the nationwide protests of the past months, 81% of those inside the country
support the protests; 67% believe the protests will succeed, while 14% think they will not
succeed. Around 15% of the population inside the country oppose the protests.
Respondents outside the country overwhelmingly support the protests; of these, 90% think
they will succeed, and only 9% think they will not succeed.

the problem is while it sounds good to you and makes you feel fuzzy being isolationist while spending 1 trillion dollars a year on military is lol dumb. step one is don't spend 1 trillion dollars and use it to improve your civilians lives then you can justify not using it . you dont do step 2 before step 1

I mean, the extremely high public hate is baked into whatever calculations neocons have about the regime being vulnerable.

As we speak right now. Reports are basij are hunting Iranians in the streets, indiscriminately murdering them, while Israeli drones hunt them in turn.

Maybe I will be the one shown to have egg on my face, but this doesn’t sound like a stable regime that holds all the cards.

kudos to you most champaign socialists dont admit it.

lol at dunyains obsession with Canada. Even trumps not mad at Canada about are support in Iran. no one expects Canada to do anything but send the us cheap discounted oil which we already do. we are doing our part. Canada has no navy when trump asks for nato's help hes not asking Canada. hes asking for france uk japan and the countrys with mine sweepers like the low countries

Iran definitely never wanted nukes. They just want weapons grade uranium to help solve the energy crisis for their citizens that they care so much about.

The population in Bahrain also overwhelmingly supports Russia and their war on Ukraine so I wouldn’t take my neighbors opinion on their opinion on the US as a major indicator of anything moral.

Good reason to tear up the nuclear deal, replace it with nothing, ‘totally obliterate the nuclear program’ 9 months ago then invade on your premise despite everything preceding

GOT EMMMMMMMMMMMM

I’m just pointing out that asserting that Iran has never had aspirations to build an actual warhead is silly and they’ve always been pushing the boundaries of the restrictions placed on them.

If I lived within missile range of Israel I would have a nuclear weapon in every pocket.

Why? Egypt and Jordan have been doing fine without nukes and both of them started off as enemies of Israel. Your worldview seems very flawed.