Examine Brute Force - What do you see?

Looks like you played it perfectly. You faced an out of position 3bet from an unknown 1/3 player and continued with what's likely the most mediocre hand in your range. You probably have the best hand on the flop and the majority of villain's c-bets are going to be bluffs. But you put a stop to that by check/raising with the 138th nuts. From that point on villain was all done putting in money with any hand worse than yours. All that was left to do was jam the turn so there's no chance you could ever get called by worse, and it's absolutely impossible for him to even consider a river bluff.

Can you tell me where you play? I'd like to sit on your left and observe you closely so I can learn even more.

V bets 80, Hero raises to 150?

I heard Tom Dwan once said when in doubt, raise.

That being said, rumor has it that he owes some people money.

Pocket tens seems like a poor choice of a hand to use as a bluff here. TT is more of a bluffcatcher after he 3-bets pre and bets pot on the flop.

He's representing a polarized range and either you're way ahead against his bluffs, or you're drawing to two outs if he has a jack or overpair. I would pretty much always be calling or folding on the flop. Against a solver it would likely be a call. However against a typical low stakes opponent I might fold, assuming their 3-bet range is nutted and that their flop sizing represents mostly overpairs.

In fact I'm probably calling or folding with my whole range after he pots it on the flop. Even sets and strong draws should probably mostly be calling.

That being said if you were to have a raising range and bluff sometimes, then there are better choices of hands to use as bluffs. Hands like QT, KQ or KT have less showdown value and more outs against your opponent's strong hands. I would probably use gutshots with overs as my main bluffs (KQ and KJ). QT is such a strong draw that you would hate to face a jam over the top of your raise on the flop, so it's probably better to just call.

Anyway the result of your hand does show the power of aggression. Sometimes even blind aggression is better than playing overly passive poker.

i see a poorly played hand

flop is closer to a fold then raise vs an unknown at 1/3. people dont 3b out of the big blind wide. if villain is an old guy its definitely a fold - they dont even 3b AK out of hte big.

id check turn and fold a big river bet.

I was expecting poor reviews of turning a pair into a bluff. Some people only comment on my posts when they can criticize. It’s kinda a out of the box bluff, not your semi-bluff draw

But I was hoping someone would give me an idea of what villain has in this spot. Saying I shouldn’t make this play against an old man, but I’m the old man….

When an old man shoves the turn
When an old man goes all in
Most of you would recommend a fold

I’m the one with the image, but how good a hand did this guy fold? Did he think I had a nine?

I don't see it as a bluff. You were probably way ahead. Villain probably had AK/AQ or 3! like with late position action. I don't think he folded QQ+ there. Nothing that is ahead of you folds.

Maybe you're just wrong a lot

Preflop: Few people 3! from the BB, so I'm inclined to give a relatively strong range. TT+, KJ+, AT+, maybe a handful of other suited Ax.

Flop: When he leads big, his range is probably very heavy with AJ/KJ and pps JJ+. Maybe AK/AQ sometimes.

When he flats, we can remove JJ and somewhat discount AK/AQ. V mostly has TP or overpair.

Kind of curious how quickly he folded. If it was fast I'd be inclined to think he had AK with BDFD and overreached flop. If he tanked a bit your grey hair might have gotten you paid and he made a nitty fold with KJ/AJ.

Probably a -EV play long-term because JJ-AA should make up a large portion of his range and those are never folding. Even AJ probably calls often, but a thinking player could find the fold since from his perspective the average player at these stakes taking your action have boats and boats.

Thanks and agree

Yes I am & I keep fine tuning and getting better
It’s the process

Dealer was asleep, lol? I interpreted it as a minclick, FWIW. Sizing is strange throughout: V's 3! was awfully small, not even 3x, (which is setting off alarm bells already) and then they pot flop? Were I H, I wouldn't think this V was going to be easy to kick out.

Minclicks, postflop I interpret as both pretty fishy and usually monumental value. On J93r, that's going to be some variety of 99/33, and whatever JJ H didn't simply 4! Maybe the 2 J9s as well? Or a bluff, whether with QT or not. QQ+/AJs V might peel one and sees if H continues.

H did continue with a b60 jam, on a card that cuts their huge value combos from 8-10 to 6-8, making it even more unlikely they have it and at a price many Vs might shrug call.

Glad it got through, not something I'd emulate. Jam flop would probably be better to get maximum FE.

Edit: me, I'm either calling 1 (and kicking myself the whole way for being such a donkey) or folding to a pot sized bet on this flop and making a mental note on this V re OP entitlement. Or just bad/weird sizing with broadway overs.

Nitty got me thinking about AK…

Maybe it’s just small sample, but I swear a lot of people using overly big sizes have AK. It’s like no other hand do they go that large. Over & over I see it.

Then there’s the group that always take the last bet with AK, jamming if necessary. You 3bet, they 4bet - you 4bet, they 5bet. You think you’re up against aces, nah it’s AK

Anyone else notice these tendencies…

I think AK is the most interesting hand in poker

Over the years I've seen lottsa cases where two blind monkeys get into a massive button clicking war, but in spite of all the completely absurd decisions made by both of them, one of them will end up dragging a huge pot. Does that mean that blind monkey played the hand well?

Not a comment on the OPs hand per se... just food for thought.

GcluelessblindmonkeynoobG

Valid point - someone on here got me betting dealer friendly, not having to make change. I should have noticed that and made it right - a few dealers we have miss stuff like this. But I might have the numbers wrong, as I am not good at hh’s on the fly.

I just didn’t think he had a pair, or maybe a smaller pair. When he checked the turn, I just felt he capped himself as he would have kept betting if I was crushed.

Kinda a comment per se…. but that’s ok
Noted

IMO, this hand isn't too far off from shoving to see where we're at, which is most definitely an aggressive strategy (but unlikely to be a winning one).

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

Thanks, good points

I’m working on it, can’t get past that ‘what happens if I bet’ phase - it always looks good

Freecard, to simplify my semi-snarky previous post, I think there are two reasons the line you took in this hand is bad (well, at least two).

1. You're bluffing into strength. 3-bet pre and pot the flop is a strong line that your opponent took, and it seems unnecessary to run any insane bluffs into a player representing so much strength. Furthermore you have position so you have the ability to just call to gather more information by seeing what he does on the turn before you commit more chips. That is, if you suspect that his hand is actually weak.

2. Your choice of hand to bluff with is questionable at best. If you were going to run a big bluff in this spot, I would think you would want to have a hand that at least has a fair number of outs against strong hands like AJ and overpairs. A gutshot like KQ has 4 outs to the nuts and another 6 outs against AJ. KQ is also behind AK and AQ type hands, so it benefits from potentially folding out better whereas TT is already beating those hands. Even a hand like 43s would make a better bluff (not that I'm advocating for bluffing with that in this spot). However at least 43s has 5 outs against overpairs whereas pocket tens only has 2 outs. There are so many better hands to bluff with in your range.

Right, remember this advice well @Freecard.

Wait until you're in position, heads up, in a 3-bet pot, where you raised a full-pot c-bet, got called, and then got checked to on a paired rainbow board while drawing to a nut gutshot....

Wait until you're in this exact same situation again, with the same villain, same stacks, same action, same flop, same turn, but with a different hand

Cuz that will totally happen,

So says muh GTO

[QUOTE=GTOtards]You have better hands in your range with which to bluff in this spot[/QUOTE]

That's such absolute frickin' baloney.

We're only going to be in *this spot* once EVER. One time, that's it.

This time.

And we have the hand we have.

The 3-bettor at 1/3 often has JJ-AA and is not folding, so questionable to try to bluff the 3-bettor.

TT is a bad choice of hands to bluff with, because you have showdown value. You want to bluff with a hand which has to bluff to win. There just aren't many better hands you are likely to get to fold.

What is your problem?