Hey I just met you, and this is crazy, but I have top pair, so call me maybe.

I'm curious to know more about your playing style Banana

Which part of this play excites you the most?

1. Getting called by better hands?
2. Never getting called by worse hands?

Would prefer to 3bet bigger and then just bet flop and jam turn myself.

As played, I like the turn jam on a double flush draw board. Villain does not have many better hands (only 89s, 99, JTs, all of which would be discounted) and will have many draws and weaker pairs that can call. There are a lot of semi-bluffs that you can have here too.

Like what?

Flop is bad

Thread title lured me in.

Grunch:

Bruh, please, we don't need to know about the windows and the service and the dealers or whatever. Not even sure what to make of your read on this kid. All I got out of it is he apparently knows how to play poker.

How deep are we? We cover V's $750?

PRE - wait...how many is "several" limps? Does this $50 open seem...telling? In a 1/3/6 game, if there are 3-4 limpers, I might open to $40. If the game is super-splashy, MAYBE I'll make it $50. This sizing just smells like TT+.

If you're going to 3B here, at least go 4X. Yes, AQs is a good starting hand, but the range that calls a 3B from the 3rd blind mostly has AQ crushed or flipping at best. We don't mind taking the pot down pre flop (and pre-rake). If we don't, we're kind of just praying for a Q-high or AQ-high board so we can play an easy two-street game by betting big twice.

FLOP - *throws laptop across the room* - I mean...I can't even. We may have gotten one of the best flops possible, and...you check TPTK? Why, Banana? WHY????

You have 2 SPR. Just bet $200 and prepare to jam turn. Why are you letting this kid take a free card? It sounds like he's literally the only other player in the game who actually knows how to play the game, and this may be your only chance to actually win some money from him, and maybe even get him out of the game by stacking him, and you're doing it from OOP. This situation could almost not be any better.

The poker gods showered you with gifts, and you have squandered them. Shame. Shame. SHAME!

TURN - Okay....so, 99 and JT got there, but not much else. Doesn't look like he has a hand that was strong enough to bet the flop, either for value or as a bluff, so...no...no....no...do NOT jam now.

What are you targeting to call a 2x pot over-bet? If by some chance he calls our 3B with 99, 88, or JT, he's snapping you off. If he doesn't have a 4B range pre, and would trap flop with AA or KK, he's snapping you off. If he has TT or JJ, he's turbo-folding.

What in the name of Doyle Brunson's ghost do you think he has that is worse than our hand but still calls? KQ?

Pray he has KQ if he calls, not JJ, TT, QJ or QT, because if he does, the poker gods will $hlt on your head and deliver him the 6 or 7 outer for your transgressions.

I'll $hlt myself laughing if he calls with KJ and drills the T on the river.

Maybe a brief sojourn away from the tables might be best? As much as your posts entertain at least me.

I'm hoping your flop check led V to a loose call of this shove.

Call me a nit but I think I fold this preflop vs a 50$ open.

Assuming 2-3 limpers (so ~75-80 in the pot), then I'd probably go a bit bigger with the 3bet assuming you think it's good (but read is weaktight ... which isn't great, although he is on BTN).

If you only bet 100 on the flop, that still makes turn exactly a pot size shove.

If you were going for a x/r on the flop then the 100 flop bet still allows V to bluff raise.

About the only way it's good is if you have a read that V stabbs very often, but won't bluff raise small bets. Your read suggests the opposite of this though.

Is opening to 50 the standard here? Seemed like a massive open but I guess if you're basically playing 3/6 it's normal. Not sure if I even like the 3b as we'll be OOP and I would think he folds all the hands we dominate and calls with all the hands we're not thrilled to be going against. Also if he's "weaktight" I would think a raise in this spot is a strong hand - does he even do this with AT? As played I think you have to bet the flop and go with this - you couldn't flop any better. On the turn I'm calling it off - if he had say AA/KK/QQ would he really shove for double pot? Overall not a fan of creating a big pot here - we flopped the absolute best flop possible and still aren't fully comfortable.

Against a weaktightish guy who ain't getting much out-of-line who's just raised to a fairly massive $50 against some limps (albeit in a straddled pot) I probably just make a nitty fold preflop. But I also have a sneaky suspicion that weaktight in my 1/3 NL game may not mean exactly the same as weaktight in your 1/3 NL game.

SPR is 2 and we have TPTK on a somewhat drawy board, so I would consider myself committed here. My guess is that his range is very pear heavy with some AK. He'd probably play AA/KK a little more straightforwardly preflop. So I would mostly put him on JJ- and AK which are all drawing extremely slim, so not too worried about the draws. He's shown he can stab when shown weakness. So I'd be cool with a very small bet to try and keep that range around or a check.

I mean, we do have a Banana image, so I guess that might play into our turn decision. But I still don't think I'm a fan of it. If we're going to do a spazzy looking shove I think I would more like that as part of another check and then spazz shove. Otherwise I'd just attempt to rep AK and bet a reasonable $200 to setup a river shove.

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Result:

Nit.

If you bombed flop and jammed turn for less than pot, there's a decent chance he folds, expecting you to have AA/KK.

Preflop could get you in tricky spots, but seems totally standard. Could flat call.

Just cbet the flop. Check seems awful. I like the turn overbet shove as played on the wet board.

The result of this hand is why I don’t like checking flop. If he is checking back some AQ, he is checking back KQ QJ etc. He is afraid of the check raise on this board, especially when you’ve already check-raised him once. Just get the money in the easiest way possible at this SPR. No need to get fancy.

It’s also why shoving the turn is good as played. He is not checking back flop with QX to fold this turn. He will also have a lot of combo draw spades (AJss, ATss, KJss, KTss, QXss). Even JJ and TT might call after taking this line and turning a gutshot.

TBF I definitely fold AQo, but with AQs I'd prefer call over fold and am also fine with 3bet.

Possibly the most amusing part of this is that I think you probably played it close to perfect to actually win vs. V.

It depends on how many limpers and how the raiser and table were playing. Was a raise to 50 at limpers at 1/3/6 a sign of a lot of strength? If you think the raiser has a tight range, it might be OK to fold AQo or AQs. However, usually I would 3! or call. I don't think call is generally bad.

You’re a smart guy dango. I bet Doyle folds here too, it’s a trouble hand.

Only reason I call (not raising OOP) is because I myself try to steal the limpers sometimes with a big bet from the button.

Now I know he’s not on a steal, because he called your 3bet. Is this why you checked flop?

With AQs, you couldn’t flop much better, but a big pair wants a small pot and that was ruined pre-flop.

Your line: checking the flop and jamming the turn is pure value from the population. Villain likely doesn’t know that.

I almost never shove with value, because when I shove everyone folds. It’s the reaction to the old guy.

Just curious
Do you want folds with this bet?
Or do you want calls?
I think you will get folds, unless you’re beat

Call pre-flop
Check flop
Turn bet 75 into 100

It’s so funny to me how quickly 1/3 can escalate into playing for stacks with all sorts of hands.

I think Doyle said offsuit high card hands were trouble hands. Think he may not include AQo, and he certainly didn't indicate he usually folded AQo preflop.

If the raise to 50 is interpreted as conveying a lot of strength, sure you could fold AQo. However, we don't know how many limpers for 6 or how the raiser and table are playing.

Do you learn anything from the hands you post?

Literally every time some rec-fish wins a big pot with a trash hand, their defense is "but it was sooted!" Like that increases the playability of the hand ten-fold.

AQs isn't a trouble hand. If you can't tell the difference between the intrinsic value and playability of AQs and a true "trouble hand", you're just bad at the game.

AQo? It's a trouble hand if you try to play it like AKs/AQs. Otherwise, it's good enough to 3B, and if it gets you into trouble, that's on you, not on the cards.

A couple weeks ago I flopped middle set in the BB on K52rb and turned a boat on another 2. I got it all in on the turn vs UTG, who limped in pre. My opponent hit a 3-outer on the river K to double up with K5s.

K5? Seriously dude? "It's suited!" No, what it is, is trash. As are you, if you limp in with it from UTG.

Yeah AQ is not a "trouble hand" like QJo or something. It is a hand you want to be careful with, particularly against a 3! or other show strength. I would not usually fold AQo against a single raise. There are exceptions at low stakes where people are giving information with their sizings or some fish who limp almost everything and are raising 5% or tighter.