5-Card PLO Bomb Pot – Turn Decision with Wrap
Curious about this spot from a live 5-card PLO game.
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Game / Setup
• 5-card PLO, live, fairly loose game
• Bomb pot, $10 each
• 9-handed
• Hero has about $900 in play
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Hero (late position)
Hand: Q♠ J♦ T♦ 9♥ 5♣
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Flop ($90 pot)
Board: K♠ T♠ 4♣
Action:
• Multiple players bet and call
• Ends up being ~4 players putting in ~$400 each
Hero calls closing the action
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Thought process on flop
• Pair + wrap (A/Q/J/9 outs)
• One spade blocker
• In position
• Felt like I could: Continue on good turns. Fold on bad ones (especially spades or heavy action).
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Turn (~$1300 pot)
Turn: brick (non-spade, non-straight card)
Action:
• Player to my right pots, effectively putting me all-in for ~$375. One player behind me. 1 all in.
Question is: Call or fold?
If I call I only have 10 clean outs and could end up chopping to a bad river. I also can’t keep betting on the river and have no implied odds. Basically I have an 80% chance of going broke here.
5 Replies
I just asked a mod if they might want to move this to the Omaha forum. It's fairly active and you'll probably get better advice.
My lay opinion (and not having an Omaha equity calculator handy) is that while a wrap is nice, you really want an ace too in this particular spot. Given the betting from multiple Vs---going from 90 to >1600---someone does and/or has a set, FD, or all of the above. Think you're getting free-rolled here a ton.
Aside, 4 players putting in 400 each should be 1600-ish, not 1300, right?
Flop was easy fold
You have bottom wrap no fd no 2p
There was a bet and raise on the flop.
Maybe call the first bet if it was cheap, the 2nd call was atrocious.
When in doubt, folding is never wrong in multiway pots.
I guess we're committed already on the turn.
Flop call was probably the worse, might as well ship it in and pray someone over jams then others fold and you get better equity than calling.
Always draw to the nuts not draw to 2nd nuts or non nuts. Even if you hit the nuts on turn, someone might have nuts+redraw.
Yeah, I would have folded on the flop too. You need to worry that your outs are dirty. In this case, almost all your outs are dirty. A Q or J means you have the second nuts. You only have 5 outs to the nuts. And since this is multiway, you also have to consider that you could hit the nuts and be getting freerolled if someone gets it in with you when you hit.
I wouldn't always fold this hand against any action, but against this action, I think folding is best.
EDIT: These days when I play Omaha it is 4-card, but I have played 5-card before. Everything I just said is even more true in 5-card than it is in 4-card.
I got string along and was in a poor position on the flop. I called 125 from the guy to my right and next to act raised to 400. I closed the action by calling another 275 with about 1k in the pot already.
Edit: 2 other players plus me put in 400 on the flop (plus 90$ in the pot already). Sorry for the confusion. The pot values are correct.
Your hand is garbage on this flop, you do realize you only have 5 clean outs right?
