[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

I think this is where you just back away slowly and gently close the door.

Let us repeat, lest we forget.

Under optimal circumstances for the NIST claim of a 10 s average collapse time, and 9 s according to an independent observer who also promotes the plane narrative (both hostile witnesses from my view point):

We state no resistance to acceleration caused by either air resistance nor the buckling of supports inward. We are pretending there is 0 air pressure and no supports at all, each floor is suspended in mid vacuum awaiting collision. We have a free fall in a vacuum scenario i.e. the maximum acceleration, giving an absolute lower bound of uncertainty in the time taken. Further, we give the upper 15 floors a combined mass as per the request to do so (I have not seen this from NIST but i will allow it for the sake of argument).

We now have the maximum steel man possible. Should the calculated time exceed the observed time then progressive collapse is disproven.

The observed time is either 9 s (gorgo citation, an independent observer, plane hijacking zealot) or 10 s (NIST, from timings and seismic data). In the former case the prediction is 28% longer than observed. In the latter it is 15% longer.

You guys are finished here with this progressive collapse BS narrative. Oh and thanks to d2 for his assistance, dont worry d2, this wont affect our blossoming friendship.

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We did debunk all those guys, slugger, we sure did. Go team billy! And never forget - you're a very special little guy.

So Billy, now that we've blown the collapse times out of the water, we should probably focus on the debris to really stick the knife in. Remind me again how we calculate the mass of the remaining debris?

Please don't forget to remind BillyBeans of the Bowling Bowl Problem (BBP). Thanks.

(For the sake of his mental health, I ain't speaking to him directly no more.)

Hard to believe you disapproved a theory no one was arguing using data not measuring the same event rather than prove your point from your incorrect mathematics. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeee win.

Amazin'!

I think it would make more sense in Lebanon than downtown NYC. But it seemed like you had a surprising amount of people who argued this position with Maui.

Link?

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Anyone have any idea if or when BillyButtCheek will give us his analysis of the Bowling Bowl Problem? Thanking y'all in advance.

I think Billy feels that all this exterior panel business is just some sort of trick to weasel out of the fact that he single-handedly proved a multi-national conspiracy to fake the biggest terrorist attack in history with some high school physics calculations.

Well, not quite single-handedly, I had to do the actual calculations for him, but he definitely gets the credit for having a hunch that there were some shenanigans going on.

I mean, just think, if only those brainiacs at NIST had thought to write 15 seconds instead of 10 seconds in their report, we might never have got to the bottom of this.

Ok, so we know it wasn't Al Qaida in NYC with the planes. My new guess is it was Bush and the CIA, in space, with the laser.

You were credited with data analysis. The calculations were mine. There is no I in teamB1lly.

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I think the millenium falcon hit the pentagon

Space? What's that.

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The stuff between your ears.

You worked it out for 3 out 110 floors, and you didn't even work out the time, only the initial velocity, you donkey. Oh, and you started on the wrong floor.

So, other than calculating the collapse time, for all 110 floors, starting at the right point, yeah, I suppose the calculations were yours.

You did provide the middle school insight that momentum is conserved in inelastic collisions, so I guess there's that.

Oh, and let's not forget that we're all still waiting for you to tell us the mistake you confidently asserted was definitely there.

Do you ever read back your own posts and feel any sort of embarrassment? Stupid question, I know, but you really should.

The team is lacking some humour I feel.

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Hard to laugh when one of the team members is not even picking up a simple bowling ball problem, and then brazenly claiming credit for everything.

All hee hee ha ha and fun and games till someone gets poked in the eye for not pulling his flat-earth-believing weight, kid.

Fiddlesticks! You beat me to it!

That's it! Welcome aboard geezerchess. Providing comic relief.

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You could petition the mods to add it to the autocensor. That impressive row of twelve asterisks would look like some tremendous obscenity, rather than a Mary Poppins euphemism.

Right, just checked and Mary Poppins doesn't say it in the famed '64 film. But the elder Mr Dawes, the bank chairman (played by Dick Van Dyke in heavy disguise), does say it. '************, boy! Feed the birds and what do you get? Fat birds!'