Is It Still Dumb to Bluff at Live 1–2?

I might make a nit fold on turn.

River probably look him up after calling turn.

Fold pre, fold turn, fold river. You call everyone a fish and have no idea how to beat this game. Consider the possibility that you are the fish.

Hands like the one you have are pretty bad multi way in general and their value goes down in very loose games.

I'd fold turn to him if he wasn't on the BTN. People like to stab at flush boards in position.

LOL, fold a double-suited rundown in the CO with deep stacks? What hands are you waiting for? Double-suited aces and top sets? Is your VPIP 10%?

I would probably fold this hand from all positions, for any amount. Double suited rundown or not, the hand is widely considered trash.

When deciding whether to enter a pot or play a hand in plo, think about what kind of flop you are trying to hit.

For 7643 to have any real value, the board needs to come 52x. That's a tall order. This hand does better in a very short handed game or heads up.

if you have a read that your opponent does not have what he is representing, you can go with it, as long as you can credibly represent what you are trying to rep yourself, to your opponent.

Your hand does play like QXcc that now realizes it's good OTR. Ad and Kd cut down on dd combos for both you and opponent. It's possible opponent does not have a flush. If he has the Q blocker alone he would probably get a little excited with his bluff and size up.

in my opinion, when an opponent repeats their turn size on the river, they're usually going for value and most likely not folding, but this is live and people do weird, fishy things, like raising with 7643 ds :P

It's probably better to have some theory to go along with your feels and reads though. I'm not sure of all the factors you need to look at when deciding to blow an opponent off his hand otr. Hopefully someone else can chime in about this specific point.

What do you estimate the value of your suits to be if you go 4-5 ways to the flop?

This is a "double suited rundown" like a butter knife is a "weapon". The hand is junk. If you were playing heads up and raised against a drunk guy who called without looking at his cards, you'd have 45% equity. At lot of people won't even call this a "rundown" any more than they'd call 64s a "suited connector" in Holdem. Even given the fact that there's a gap, the gap isn't even in the best place. That would be a problem if these were big cards, but the main problem is terribly low rank of the cards.

Yes, that's one good reason to fold it. That and the fact that the hand is likely to go multi-way, specifically 4-way, possibly even 5- or 6-way, and the hand plays badly multi-way, especially deep stacked.

We are talking about what hands we start with, not what hands we flop. What exactly are you hoping to flop and how well do you expect to get paid off on that miracle even if it happens, and how well do you expect the hand to hold up for two more streets?

Well that's the problem with this hand, isn't it? You raise the river, and now you might as well be playing 4 cocktail napkins. Which gets back to the original comment about playing this hand to begin with. So raising the river might be a totally fine thing to do - villain dependent - but as a bluff to get a better hand to fold, in which case your two "blocker" diamonds are completely worthless because you already know the hand you're targeting has at least 2 diamonds in it.

So with your question you've actually described pretty well why a 7 high hand in Omaha has so little intrinsic value.

You seriously need to spend some time to understand hands values. That is probably worth hundreds for you per month.

Yes this was my thought process. That I can now credibly represent the Q-hi flush because the A hit on the river. But it still might be a hard line to sell.

Folding is probably best. But I think I would rather give him a chance at 300 (raise-bluff) than give him 50.

I get that 7643ds isn't a super premium hand (even though both of my solvers open it from early position and 3-bet from late position). But my point is—if we aren't playing this hand in the CO against fish, what are we playing? Our VPIP really does go down to 10%.

If we fold good hands like QT88ss and 7643ds live, we'll certainly get pegged as the tightest player in the room. We'll lose action. And that's probably more costly than the tiny bit of EV we sacrifice by not folding pre.

And I definitely understand that avoiding mistakes early in the hand (pre) keeps us from making bigger mistakes later in the hand. But maybe it's good to make those mistakes occasionally and learn from them.

I've been posting a lot of hands with a lot of mistakes lately. I appreciate y'all helping me become a better poker player.

It's not super premium indeed - it's simply a weak hand multi way. It's been pointed out to you by many posters already, but of course you can believe what you want to.

Your VPIP doesn't go down to 10% at all... Many hands with an A-high suit go up in value for example. Stuff like weak QQ become worth a limp behind. Think of hands that can make nuts.

It doesn't matter if you get pegged as the tightest player in the room. Then you just use that image.

Well I tried using a tight image this hand. But it didn't work (it never seems to work at live 1–2).

I’m curious how people r seeing the hands you fold.

I play prolly a 20% vpip or less live and get constant action lol

No one cares that you are right. They only care about how much they like their hand

Dealer being a useless **** flips em over

Exactly, they will just verbally shame you for being a nit then pay you off anyway

But you were the one claiming doing x gives you image y. Now you are claiming they don't adjust to image y which is probably true. So you are just afraid someone calls you a nit pretty much?

Consider 7d6c4d3c (DS) vs. Ac7d6c4s (SS) ...

preflop it's mostly the same equity, but when the single suited hand hits a combo. draw it's drawing to nut outs.

7643ds is a great hand HU vs. ranges that are mostly going to be hitting the other side of the board, and it gives you board coverage against good players. But you don't have either of those problems.

Raising this hand vs fish is very bad. Different story if you're 3betting a nit IP that only opens Aces.

Why would you 3b a nit only opening aces?

live 1-2 bluffs are basically just expensive donations with extra steps

Yeah, this is probably very true.