What's your adjustment vs a guy who open folds tp?
2/5 9 handed
Handhistory
Eff 800
There was a limper
V iso to 30 in mp
H in btn clicks it to 95
V calls
Flop AKQhh
H cbets 100, V tank open folds AJss?????? I had KK, I expected V to call any value/draws and fold all pp. I didn't show, I was shocked staring at the fold.
An orbit later
Eff 900
straddle to 10
V opens 35 in mp
H in btn clicks it to 110 w/AQo
V 4bets to 400????
H folds
V then makes a speech saying we're doing it too much. I say this is only the 2nd time.
When V open folds tp in hand1, I was thinking about widening our 3bet range.
Yet when V 4bets the 2nd hand along with the speech, it gets me wondering if he is making a play or doing it with premiums.
What's your 3bet range vs this villain? Assuming V is your standard tag pfr of about 15%.
What kind of adjustments do you make vs villain? Bluff him more postflop?
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Can’t help with this because it’s meta-game - the ‘game within the game’ - “Playing the player” is a thing.
The central question is ‘what does villain think about you’?
It’s often a game of ‘chicken’ —who’s barreling down and who’s getting out of the way.
Players that think you’re ‘nitty’ will try to run over you. If it works, they will give you more of the same.
I don’t understand being in a nine-handed game and wanting to widen your range because of one player.
I guess I’m more of a situational player than an isolationist. I can’t ignore seven other players to focus on one. When I get in there with you, I know your tendencies, but I’m not lowering my standards to get in a pot with you.
I might worry that villain has a tell on you as to whether you’re strong or weak. He ran you off a weak handed 3Bet and got out of the way of your kings - kinda playing perfectly against you.
HH1: this flop absolutely smashes your 3bet range, you have all the sets, top two + top and bottom. It's a snug fold but calling down OOP sucks when you could easily be well behind and have 3 clean outs.
HH2: no idea what the guy really means by what he said, but if this is only your 2nd 3bet then he's likely misdirecting from his actual hand. Which I guess was AK at worst.
I wouldn't make any significant adjustment based on this information.
HH1: this flop absolutely smashes your 3bet range, you have all the sets, top two + top and bottom. It's a snug fold but calling down OOP sucks when you could easily be well behind and have 3 clean outs.
Makes you wonder what he was doing in the hand to begin with though. Exactly what flops is he hoping for and what is his future profit that justifies putting in a big raise and calling a reraise? We just hit an SPR of 2, and he was hanging his hopes on a KQT flop while hero has blockers to that? And even then only having 50% equity? (Yes being slightly facetious with the 50%, but only slightly.)
I think the OP's point is that villain's thought process seems to be rather inconsistent. (And besides, anyone who shows this hand is most likely showing the table how smart he is, which is normally a big red flag that says "fish".)
Low states players will call 3!s as in H1 and then realize they can't call further. I would have shown in H1 to make him feel good. He actually has top pair and a gutshot. Probably a good fold, but a big mistake for hm to show.
H2 is an extremely large 4! and a speech is a bad sign. He complains you are 3-betting too much to cover that he has AA/KK. Seems like a really easy fold. Not sure you can often call a 4! with AQo at 2/5.
Makes you wonder what he was doing in the hand to begin with though. Exactly what flops is he hoping for and what is his future profit that justifies putting in a big raise and calling a reraise? We just hit an SPR of 2, and he was hanging his hopes on a KQT flop while hero has blockers to that? And even then only having 50% equity? (Yes being slightly facetious with the 50
Yeah I don't like V's play in HH1, most especially showing his cards, and agree he's worth watching.
A couple orbits later
V opens 35
1 caller
we flat in btn
BB(tag) squeezes to 150
only V calls
Hu to flop 942ss BB bets 125 v calls
Turn K xx
Riv Qs Bb checks V bets 450 w/TT??? he got called by KJdd
He then switched tables quickly.
If I were to play with him again, I'm not sure what kind of adjustments to make, hence this thread.
A couple orbits later
V opens 35
1 caller
we flat in btn
BB(tag) squeezes to 150
only V calls
Hu to flop 942ss BB bets 125 v calls
Turn K xx
Riv Qs Bb checks V bets 450 w/TT??? he got called by KJdd
He then switched tables quickly.
If I were to play with him again, I'm not sure what kind of adjustments to make, hence this thread.
check more and let him hang himself
Maybe the reason he folded AJss on AKQhh is because you bet over 1/2 pot after 3B'ing him pre. He doesn't beat anything. Like, literally nothing.
You're not getting here with worse than AJ and betting more than 1/2 pot in a 3BP on this board.
He open folds because he wants you to know he knows what you're doing. Apparently, he's right. You're probably playing pretty face up, and it's obvious to him that you're only 3B'ing him with a tight range, so AJss is a trivial fold, and the only value he can extract is showing it to you, for the dopamine hit.
Next time, bet smaller. It's a three-broadway board. You can have all the sets and 2P here. Bet 10% pot if you want to get value from AJ and other AX.
Good fold of AQ. He's not 4B'ing you light. His speech just confirms it.
When we're constantly raising and 3B'ing opponents, they don't adjust by 3B'ing us light. They silently stew and swear that when they finally pick up AA/KK, they'll 4B you to the moon. Then they do it, and we fold, and they pretend they had T9s or whatever, and were just trying to teach us a lesson.
You know what I do?
If you guessed I go right back to raising and 3B'ing constantly, you may have played with me. F**k that guy, and f**k his petty feelings. No one has a right to win anything. It's a death-match, and I got nothing to live for, other than watching the light fade from their sad little eyes. If you want to take down the pot, you'll have to contend with me first.
He finally got AA/KK and got to 4B us. Yay. Now we return to our regularly scheduled programming of him trying to limp in with trash or raise anything that looks playable, and us making him pay more to see a flop.
Easy game.
A couple orbits later
V opens 35
1 caller
we flat in btn
BB(tag) squeezes to 150
only V calls
Hu to flop 942ss BB bets 125 v calls
Turn K xx
Riv Qs Bb checks V bets 450 w/TT??? he got called by KJdd
He then switched tables quickly.
If I were to play with him again, I'm not sure what kind of adjustments to make, hence this thread.
He's an idiot. He can't hand-read, and gets flustered easily when he has a hand he doesn't know how to play, which is a lot of hands.
The adjustment is to play lots of hands with him, and drag him into deep water. He plays face up. Just out-play him. Take lines that are going to trigger him into spazzing, then over-fold your marginal and trashy hands, and stack him when he blasts off because he "haz big pair".