USA Goes to War Against Iran

Saying you're not going to bad mouth someone is just one step removed from bad-mouthing them.

SRM said he'd like to piss on Charlie Kirk's grave, but he's showing all due respect for Sklansky. The man has standards.

it wasnt a mistake. the Epstein Empire loves to hurt children. if they cant rape them then they kill them.

Well, the US is obviously not under existential threat. But most of the other Gulf States and to a lesser extent Israel definitely are. Iran is targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, but it hasn't yet escalated to a point of existential concern, where extreme measure would be justified. But for good or bad, we are the de facto partners and security guarantees of the GCC and Israel, so there is some responsibility.

But I dont think anything should just de facto be taken off the table. In fact, I would say that is a very big weakness we have had when dealing with the uncivilized world, is that they know exactly how far we are willing to be able to go; and they can use this information to manipulate outcomes to their advantage. And Trump ignoring self imposed limits, and not forcing Netanyahu to follow them either, is making the world a lot harder place for our enemies to navigate.

Speaking of graves, what do you think about ja boy Trump saying he's glad Mueller is dead and that he can no longer hurt innocent people?

I mean, didn't Trump say that Mueller exonerated him fully, so shouldn't he be thanking Mueller for his expert analysis of evidence?

Even accepting all that doesn't get us to causing millions of Iranians - who are already anti IRGC - to suffer and die. That doesn't make any sense at all.

I commented earlier that I thought Trump's tweet was disgusting.

Not disgusting enough that if you had to vote for Kamala or Trump today, with no option of not voting or voting for a third party, you'd still choose Trump over Kamala, amirite?

So, no bombing of power plants, but the strait is still closed.....

what happened to the ultimatum?

Apparently Jared was talking to an unnamed Pakistani who was talking to a previously unknown Iranian official and they're close to an agreement on keeping the Straight open. So Trump postponed killing half of the Gulf states' population for 5 days. And since they haven't talked to said Iranian before, Trump said he considers that a regime change. I'm not making this up.

I'm not interested in engaging a ridiculous contrary-to-fact hypothetical ('no option of not voting or voting for a third party' LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL).

If you have a scenario that can plausibly occur in RealityLand, I will endeavor to address it.

It appears you and suckbox are both as ****ing illiterate as you are blindly obsessed with being permaraging at me

Seek help, and a decent tutor

i mean it really sums both of you ****ing morons up that with my history of posting about DS I say I’m not gonna speak ill of a guy who just died while his son is still an active poster here and you dipshits conclude what you want to conclude

first time? its taco Tuesday

More likely imo it was mentioned as an option by planners and was far more just trump talking through his arse than a fully formed plan.The gulf states and other allies saying in more diplomatic terms 'dont be so ****ing stupid' was probably sufficient to prevent it for now at least.

None of that happened.

This is what happened.

Market manipulation is simply par for the course these days, business as usual. Conservatives don't bat an eye. All hail god-king Trump.

Well, as I said the US is not in any existential risk, but Israel and the GCC potentially are. Right now there is an asymmetry where Iran is attacking civilian and enemy infrastructure and Israel is responding by attacking military infrastructure (which lets be honest, is probably mostly empty buildings at this point) and the GCC are doing nothing offensive at all.

Now I dont know if the IRGC can outlast Israel with this asymmetry, but if they can and are more than willing to continue with the status quo; then Israel will surely increase its own intensity. Including possibly destroying power plants.

Whether they should have started the war or not, no one should expect Israel just to let themselves lose it because they dont want to upset the Iranian people. At some point it may be necessary for Israel to change the dynamics.

There is a lot of fog of war right now, especially as it pertains to how much actual pain the IRGC is feeling and their appetite to keep going. So maybe all of this is a moot point. But just making a blank statement "We cant attack civilian infrastructure because that would make us monsters like them" is a super naive and unrealistic way to view these things.

One note about the Islamic Republic of Iran. Is that their theology proscribes an end times scenario where basically the whole world is destroyed and a Messiah comes from the rubble. And it is quite possible (and maybe even probable) the people running the show think this conflict is ushering in said end times. And their actual goal might be to have the entire region go up in flames. And until they are removed, there is no reason to expect their attacks on civilian and energy infrastructure in the ME to stop.

Of course this is an argument we should have been paying a little more attention and been a little more serious about The Regime the last 47 years; so they never got in a position to test drive their end time beliefs.

That's a whole lot of words to say yes. I get it though - I've curb stomped you on this at least 3 times and you don't want a 4th. I appreciate the obfuscation rather than just lying and saying no, though.

Sounds like the book of Revelation.

The Islamic Republic of Iran’s end-time beliefs are rooted in Twelver Shia eschatology, centering on the return of the Twelfth Imam (the Mahdi), who is believed to be in "occultation" and will return to establish global justice. The regime's, particularly the IRGC's, ideology, often called Mahdism, holds that leaders can proactively hasten this return by fostering chaos, opposing the U.S. and Israel, and fostering a "New Islamic Civilization".

--Sinwar jumped the gun and The Regime wasn't prepared to join him. But what Sinwar did is exactly what the regime has been working towards the last 47 years. Except everything was supposed to be coordinated between Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq militias, Houthis, Hamas, etc. and US bases and interests were supposed to be attacked simultaneously with Israel.

The leaderships at the time (who are all dead now) were slowly building their forces and utilizing what they call "strategic patience" till they felt the time was right. But now that we are here, there is a real possibility the IRGC still alive hiding in their cave cities have decided it is now or never and are just going to go for broke.

'POT...KETTLE' ALERT!!!

I have no idea what your posting history wrt DS is about.

All I know about you is that almost 100% of your posts in this forum are rage posts.