TT in weird spot
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
We're BBJ hunting as any Aces-full beaten by XXXXY or better will net us ~50k, table share about 10k. Game is early evening and there's only a few unknowns. One crusher LAG on our left which kind of sucks.
V1 - Crusher LAG. Plays as high as 20/40 and makes about 100k/yr at various games. No idea how much he makes at 1/3. He plays full time for a living and goes where the action is. Our room is his 5/10/20 hole in the wall because we're near a native reserve and there's some rich natives that dump money into him. He can rep hands easily and play for stacks like its nothing. If you flop an invulnerable top pair like A7s on A-J-2 you have to just close your eyes and call this guy down. Blocking betting and checking to induce are a big part of my game with him. Covers. BB.
V2 - Unknown MAWG fish rebuying for 100$ on repeat and ripping it in almost every hand. 105$. UTG+1.
V3 - Unknown MAWG splashy fish. Looks blue collar. Been very active, opening 15$ a lot and VPIPing ~80%. Also sticky. Not a maniac but very splashy and has shown some bluffs which made absolutely no sense. Used small sizes with his bluffs and all of them were one-and-done. 700$. HJ.
We're OTB, in for 500 and we're up to about 600 for this hand. Our image is very poor to V1 especially when we're IP as here.
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UTG irrelevant fish straddles 6, V2 limps, V3 to 15, H sees T♠ T♣ and makes it 40 from BTN, folds to V1 who cold calls (I have never seen him cold call a 3-bet in about 2-300 hours together), UTG folds, V1 calls, V2 calls. 4-ways IP.
Flop 160 - 9♣ 8♣ 3♣
V1 checks, V2 AI for 65, V3 folds, H raises to 175, V1 shoves for 560 total (~400 more to call)...
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Might not always like your play, but I love your villain descriptions.
Got yourself into a tough one this time
With the cold call clue from the crusher and this shove, I don’t think he has A9. We have about 80% equity against a random hand, but if he is ahead in any way, we’re not likely to catch up. Way behind a made flush - not too far, but behind an over-pair with no club - crushed by an over-pair with a club.
I think this one is on you
Unless villain thinks he can run over you (that’s what LAGS do), then you are behind. Most all of us would have a hard time folding in this spot, but it looks like the play if your reads are true.
Might not always like your play, but I love your villain descriptions.Got yourself into a tough one this timeWith the cold call clue from the crusher and this shove, I don’t think he has A9. We have about 80% equity against a random hand, but if he is ahead in any way, we’re not likely to catch up. Way behind a made flush - not too far, but behind an over-pair with no club - cr
Really? His reads said the exact opposite.
Snap it off and reload.
I don’t much like to raise from the bb
My thoughts are that a cold call from a strong player in a situation like this indicates a big hand. He doesn’t mind letting others in, hoping they’ll fall in love with a pair of sevens and call him down. What weak hands would he do this with?
I don’t think many good players are playing drawing hands OOP. He could be bluffing with AcK, but I think he 4Bets with that pre-flop.
It’s a close spot and if banana reveals a winner, I think he most certainly has to improve.
Definitely interested in other opinions
I'd 3 bet a bigger sizing.
Make a bigger 3bet preflop to at least 50
Flop just call then fold to jam
Classic Stupidbanana thread where we are somehow always playing with a mega crusher at low stakes and finding ourselves in a dismal postflop spot.
I think the flop raise is reasonable, but you have to fold to the jam. You are just dead here a lot of the time.
I think I like calling the flop - I don't mind keeping in v1 with a wide range if he's going to be aggro - raising doesn't really serve a point other than trying to get him out of the pot and protect our equity. He's continuing with his equity hands regardless so why not call and keep his range wider. As played just run an equity calc - it's probably close given our pot odds.
I'm assuming we have the seat change button? Otherwise we're going to be in for a very long night sitting immediately to the right of V1 deep.
I'm cool with preflop. Also don't think flatting is horrendous if V2 might spazz backjam and then we can evaluate what V3 does and perhaps re-isolate the shorty.
With a totally protected pot, I'm not sure what the benefit of our flop raise is? I think I would just flat. V1 really shouldn't get out-of-line to a flat in a totally protected pot.
As played, V1 still shouldn't be getting to out-of-line although there is now a small side pot. FWIW, when a solid player coldcalls a 3bet preflop I immediately put him on QQ/JJ and perhaps a tricky KK+. I mean, maybe AK? So, what, our ~best case scenario is he's going a little nutso in a mostly protected pot with AcKx?
GcluelessNLnoobG
If you flop an invulnerable top pair like A7s on A-J-2 you have to just close your eyes and call this guy down. Blocking betting and checking to induce are a big part of my game with him. Covers. BB.
From your own description shouldn't you just call flop from V2 and expect to call a decent sized raise from V1? Now that he reraises, probably putting you on some one pair+ that is scared of the monotone board, shouldn't you still call him down eyes closed?
Contrary to most I think if V1 is really as good as you described he is capable to do this with any nuts/second nuts blocker, Ac9/Kc9/Ac8/Kc8. Of course he also has it from time to time. If he has a bigger made flush he could just call and keep all your bluffs/smaller flush draws. If he has two pairs+ you still have unblocked outs. Either way shouldn't H just call the jam here?
V1 is squeezing in a 100% protected pot with ATC?
He has to beat the all-in player. Squeezing with ATC (a range that most definitely does not have enough equity against the all-in player, let alone the fact we can simply be calling with the nuts) would be insane.
GcluelessprotectedpotnoobG
Pre-flop is way too small vs. this lineup. Maybe you were hoping V2 shoves and re-opens? Not sure it's worth it here, so I just go to $75 -- $65 at least.
As played, it's a table read. Your spidey senses went off when he flat called your 3bet, and they should for sure be going off now. I don't think I raise the $65 if I'm not willing to call a shove, but it's a tricky spot. I might just sigh-fold knowing my spidey senses are usually correct.
1/3 NLHE 9 handedWe're BBJ hunting as any Aces-full beaten by XXXXY or better will net us ~50k, table share about 10k. Game is early evening and there's only a few unknowns. One crusher LAG on our left which kind of sucks.V1 - Crusher LAG. Plays as high as 20/40 and makes about 100k/yr at various games. No idea how much he makes at 1/3. He plays full time for a living and goes
You got V1 in there calling twice. I assume that second V1 is actually V2, and the other guy who called was actually V3.
Friends don't let friends drink and post.
ETA - raise bigger pre. Kinda tired of saying it.
Also - what's he cold-calling pre? Smells suspicious.
Flop 160 - 9♣ 8♣ 3♣
V1 checks, V2 AI for 65, V3 folds, H raises to 175, V1 shoves for 560 total (~400 more to call)...
I don't understand your raise. You basically have a draw to the 5th nuts. If you actually had the nuts here, you'd never raise, you'd just call, to invite V1 to come along.
No one is folding a made flush. No one is folding a better pair with a flush draw. Maybe they fold 2P or a set on brick turns. They're not folding on the flop.
We're getting 2.4 to 1. Maybe we're ahead. Maybe we're way behind. We could be drawing close to dead.
ETA 2 - I was thinking no one shows up with a better pair here, but...again, what's V1 cold-calling with pre? Why am I thinking he's got no 4B range here, because a cold 4B from the crusher in the BB looks too strong?
Maybe he does have a higher pair, with a better flush draw. We could be drawing dead to runner-runner SF.
Good luck with that.
