Should we ever "shoot it"?
So last night, for only the second time ever, I agreed to "shoot it" (i.e. check it down postflop). It got me to thinki
I've read a lot of the posts in thread, but not all, (and haven't seen if this has been covered) but GG's rake is obnoxious.
That alone would make me not want to check it down after the flop. Not sure if that's been covered.
I'll admit I didn't consider that at all.
But does this atrocious rake+ mean we should actually not shoot it?
In this case here, the resulting pot is $3 (BB) + $3 x 3 (limps) + $45 (me) + $45 (Villain) = $102. Therefore the maximum rake of $9 is applied, as is the $1 BBJ drop, the $1 high hand promo drop, and winner will tip $1. Therefore there actually only ends up being $90 in the pot, and we don't really "outrun" the rake. In this actualy example, my TT is a slight 53.5/46.5 fave, so I believe my EV is $3.15 and the Villain's is -$3.15.
Does massive rake actually mean we should more likely to play it out (to help outrun the rake) and not shoot it?
GcluelessshootingitnoobG
but usually the players who do this do it repeatedly. So there's sort of an implicit agreement beforehand. So there're lots of scenarios where one player 3-bets and the "victim" is monkey in the middle and has to fold facing a raise with another player still to act, or something like that.I also agree it's usually mediocre players doing this and the intention isn't typically to
Yeah, this is quite common, ime. The ones involved definitely aren't intending to collude, and I believe they are playing the hand as honestly as possible when it is still multiway... but as soon as it it is HU between check-it-down buds, that's what they do.
Gcluelesscheck-it-downbudnoobG
Haven’t read the responses. I would be very clear that we are not going to check it down consistently, just this once.
We want to check it down with big equity and low visibility like the TT hand that we 3b oop. I would say put in 100 and run it but we are definitely taking advantage of his fishy ways.
But that’s what poker is all about.
I am never "shooting it" preflop heads up. It's a bad strategy because it disadvantages the player with more skill, usually the 2+2 hero. I will happily make even-money side bets for fun. I'm always ready to collude after me and the big stack call a small stack all in, and I am on a draw. But shooting it just dumbs down the game.
What if I replace "pleasant whale" with "douchebag difficult player"? The other reasons (OOP, difficult player, ~difficult hand, mental health maintenance regarding going into last orbit with huge winstreak on the line, etc.) are all still applicable.So fine versus pleasant whale if they ask, but play it straight versus everyone else? Keeping in mind pretty much everyone else
Always do what a fun player wants. Someone annoying? Make them misreable.
