USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
There's no way they should trust Israel's word on anything after how they double crossed the Palestinians.
I think these talks are completely irrelevant in terms of actual negotiation - just like the ceasefire talks with Israel and Gaza were. I'd imagine it's just more signaling and perception for future maneuverability.
The UK could never have accomplished what the US and Israel did. The angry people are blind to the fact that Iran has been demolished.
Does the UK even have a military? Are they allowed to use weapons?
The UK probably figures that since the US obliterated and completely destroyed Iran's nuclear capacity in June, that it would probably not be necessary to re-obliterate them. So, yah, they probably could not have accomplished what the US did.
Elway/Mongidig/The Rapist
This is for you, you piece of literal ****
In a weird way, I guess I’m impressed that trump will never let a question be so depressing that he won’t just completely ignore it to let a woman know he’s down to ****
No wonder Elway/Mongidig/The Rapist is so enamored
Suppose Trump does that and doesn't agree to Iran's demand, who is Iran going to keep waging war with?
I can see their justification for closing the Strait while the US and Israel are actively bombing Iran. But if Trump says "mission accomplished" and stops bombing them....
...Iran doesn't have to let the Strait open back up...
The UK probably figures that since the US obliterated and completely destroyed Iran's nuclear capacity in June, that it would probably not be necessary to re-obliterate them. So, yah, they probably could not have accomplished what the US did.
You would think Iran would have received the message. After their program was obliterated they began to attempt to rebuild. They were obviously set back decades. They also stepped up their ballistic program. The plan for them was to have so many missiles no one would ever attempt to stop them again. Before the world could be blackmailed again it was necessary to go back in with a bigger operation.
You realize they're signalling that they might just leave with the straight of Hormuz fully under Iranian control and then charging for every boat that passes?
Trump has put Europe on notice that they will either sink or swim on this. The US is energy independent.
What will probably happen is Europe will bend the knee to Trump and he will help out. Maybe the US gains business from all of this. The President has positioned himself into a win/win situation. This is why I called it 5d chess.
curious take
Sounds like Trump has everything under control...
You realize they're signalling that they might just leave with the straight of Hormuz fully under Iranian control and then charging for every boat that passes?
Frame as a temporary tariff on energy imports with the opportunity to drill domestically and focus on alternative energy and look at the jerbs everywhere and that's it. The US isn't going to need the strait in 50 years anyways and we are doing this for American independence and the environment.
The President will be making a major announcement tomorrow night.
He lost the password to his account supposedly. I can't recover the account so I don't really care if he is on an alt especially since he was seemingly figured out quite quickly.
Mongo the rapist definitely the kind of stupid ****ing idiot to think Trumpy is a god
The cult comes for the worst of the worst
My point is when the US makes a deal, they have proven they are willing to renege on deals (e.g., JCPOA, Paris Agreement, TPP, NAFTA, USMCA, as well as flagrantly break international laws) so Iran certainly can't believe there is something the US can do (pinky promise?) that will guarantee there will be a lifetime peace deal or even one for the foreseeable future.
Israel is going to control a big part of Southern Lebanon after the war is over. They will push Hezbollah back behind the Letani river where they should have been. There will be villages demolished Gaza style to prevent Hezbollah fighters from hiding and ambushing them. This has to be done because the Lebanese army is either unwilling or unable to control Hezbollah.
Sure they could but as I said....
China needs the Strait open more than anyone else because it sits at both ends of the crisis. It’s the world’s biggest customer for the oil coming out, and the world’s biggest vendor for the goods that oil produces including supply chains. A closed Strait essentially breaks the entire 'Made in China' economic model.
What I mean is the ripple effect is essentially a huge export tariff for China, where Made in Mexico or Made in India is a better deal than Made in China.
My point is when the US makes a deal, they have proven they are willing to renege on deals (e.g., JCPOA, Paris Agreement, TPP, NAFTA, USMCA, as well as flagrantly break international laws) so Iran certainly can't believe there is something the US can do (pinky promise?) that will guarantee there will be a lifetime peace deal or even one for the foreseeable future.
your entire argument falls apart because you’re mashing together things that have nothing to do with each other just to force a conclusion you already decided on
iran saying “we’ll end this if there are guarantees” is just a normal negotiating position, and you twisting that into “they don’t want peace” is straight confirmation bias
and then you try to backfill it with NAFTA, which is honestly absurd. NAFTA wasn’t “broken,” it got renegotiated decades later into a new agreement. that’s not some betrayal, that’s literally how long-term trade policy works. acting like that proves anything about war agreements is a massive reach - an embarrassingly bad reach
you’re taking trade deals that evolve over time, climate agreements that get reversed by new administrations, and trying to equate that to ending an actual war, which is a completely different category with completely different stakes and structure
this is just you flattening everything into “the US breaks deals” so you don’t have to engage with the actual point. iran asking for guarantees isn’t evidence they don’t want peace, it’s evidence they’re not braindead enough to sign something meaningless
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