The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I really want to believe you people have intelligence. You are telling me that I am stupid and you are on a higher planet by the manner in which you communicate.

So please explain to me why you and Slugant think this request is of intelligence given you know;

1 I think it is not random and there is an element that a deck favours whatever benefits the site most
2 I play micro stakes and he challenges at 20k or something completely ludicrous
3 I have stated that I think it will look after high volume, high stakes players

So please tell me how on earth you come to a challenge to play stakes so far beyond what I actually play, with a rigged deck and one I feel looks after high volume players. And on a site away from where I play cos Slugant does not have access to it!?

You think I may be interested in this, right?

Seriously I can not think of a single reason why 2 of you have asked this!

And you feel you are people who should be respected?

Why does it matter whoo plays higher?

The deck is rigged to equalize anyway.

Isn't that what you suggested?

Or are you suddenly open to the idea that you just arent very good at poker and would get slaughtered by a better player?

First off, I dont play high stakes but midstakes. There are many players better than me (i.e. they have a more favorable deck)
But pokerwise, you say you are a microstakes player. Doesnt that mean anything to you? Because if someone was truly talented at poker they wouldnt stay at microstakes, they naturally evolve to mid/high stakes. Therefore the microstakes player does not have the knack for poker they think they have and the mid/high stakes does know his stuff, otherwise he wouldnt be there. Its your basic Dunning-Kruger effect.

You often declare yourself to have more wisdom about poker than the rest of us, so why wouldnt you take up a challenge with me? Seems like free money.
I dont have access to your beloved skypoker but I know for a fact we both have access to coinpoker.
And what does the site even matter? You have declared before that rigging decks happens exactly the same across stakes, games and sites. So its the same there.
And you even know how to adjust to the rigged algorithm, I have no clue about this.
Basically, based on everything you proclaimed, you should have a huge edge.

But I know the day you will accept this challenge will also be the same day that you provide evidence of the 4outer avalanches you experience, pigs will fly and hell will freeze over.

Probably playing high stakes with a deck you believe to be acting not entirely randomly to benefits the sites, is not the best idea.

I think most people would be able to understand that someone with my thoughts on the subject would be unwise to do that, but sorry you guys can not.

Slugant said:
You often declare yourself to have more wisdom about poker than the rest of us, so why wouldnt you take up a challenge with me? Seems like free money.

After pages and pages of answering the same questions over and over, he asks this! Can anybody help him with the answer!?

This is getting really weird now. The dog analogy for the poker tracker was one thing, but asking this question at this stage is just insanity! And there is a few of you too!

The way you describe it the deck should hurt me as much as it does to you.
Even more, the deck will quickly notice you are of the level of a beginner and will help you to keep you in the game.
And its not high but midstakes. You dont even have to use your poker money, you can use the money from your multiple definitely real flourishing businesses.

It is.
Because an adult person seems to never have read a rhetorical question before.
Furthermore he's told me hes not addressing me but keeps on quoting me. For someone from the UK your grasp on the English language is abysmal.

The point I was making should have obvious. It probably was to everyone else.
If you truly believed all the things you have said about the deck, yourself and me it would be free money for you. Not to mention my alzheimers will increase you chances even more. The fact is you know you are spewing nonsense. You know you've never witnessed avalanches of 4outers against you, you know very well the deck is not rigged against you. And deep down you know very well that a better player like me will absolutely destroy you at the tables. Not because of a rigged deck, but because you are a daft little microstakes player who talks a lot but never shows up.

Most people would also understand that for someone with your thoughts on the subject it would be unwise to keep on playing poker...
Yet you remain a loyal customer to greedy rigging pokersites for over 25 years.
Very very wise 🙂

I think Slugant/Borats last sentence sums this up. Most people would also understand that for someone with your thoughts on the subject it would be unwise to keep on playing poker...
Yet you remain a loyal customer to greedy rigging pokersites for over 25 years.
Very very wise

Just yesterday i predicted he would repeat it again.

The Waddy said; I will mention his name, but simply cant answer 'why do you still play after 25yrs', 'why dont you get a tracker', 'why dont you give me your hand history', over and over and over. He has had answers multiple times for all these. I know he will 'quote' this and give another massive essay on these points again.

I have to conclude that poker sites do indeed employ people to go on forums and act in such an incredulous manner, in order to drive people away from talking about their decks.

This simply can not be a normal person, doing this thinking they are gaining respect from others.

I will leave you with a screenshot of the site suggested by Slugant to play higher stakes on and their reputation. Would you feel confident they wouldnt slightly adjust decks for their own gain? Hmmmm?

TheWaddy

It's not often that I bar someone from posting in this possibly important thread, but it is now becoming totally obvious that you are merely a forum troll simply trying to disrupt the ongoing debate, so I am sorely tempted.

You told us a number of times that you have what others would like to see as your evidence of "the rig". I directed you to a new, free Tracker, with which it would be easy and quick to show the alleged multitude of hands in your possession that could help others decide, once and for all, whether or not they willl continue to play in such games, and yet you have shown no willingness, whatsoever, that you are going to post your so called proof.

Please answer this one question: do you intend to post the statistics you have, using the free (or any other) Tracker, within the next seven days? (If your interpretation of the figures turns out to be incorrect, I am sure that, if you are not just a sad, basement troll, your own game going forward is likely to benefit from others explaining to you where you were mistaken.)

Its easy. Since you keep repeating your whole rigged shtick and you keep repeating playing on the sites you also depise I can repeat saying how ignorant you are.
You dont have the monopoly of repeating stuff 😉

I've read that article and there is zero mention of RNG.
And yes its unlicensed, thats why I know for sure we can play there.
Does skypoker have a merged iPoker pool, because otherwise we can play there as well.

I have to conclude that you are terrible at drawing conclusions.
I also have to conclude that 95% of your entire posting history is in this thread and you have provided absolutely nothing.

I am sorry you two are not able to see the link in illegal activity of a poker site and the proof that sites do in fact glaringly break the rules in the parts which regulation DOES take an interest in.

And are willing to take fines that run into millions doing so. You do not see a link there, ok each to their own.

This is probably why it would be good thing for regulators to take an interest in something soooo many players over 25yrs have spotted and is the main conversation within online poker.

But as it stands, they do not. This side of things is left to a testing house that is not willing to disclose what they are actually testing for.

I am sorry that you see this as irrelevant and not party to the subject ‘is online poker rigged’ and is some kind of trolling!

Again, it looks like an attempt to deflect to me, asking for a micro stakes Omaha hi lo stats to prove conclusively that you are right. As if this would end a 25yr argument.

I have a logic to what can be seen in black and white. Sites acting illegally and their decks not regulated by someone with poker knowledge.

If you want to ban me, ban me. If you think this would back your argument by doing that or claim this information is not relevant, that is fine!

Maybe do not allow a subject that clearly can not be proven to exist, if you can not take the facts. Not great having a debate on something that can not be proven, then banning them for not proving it!? The fines are fact btw. And they are relevant to the subject. So where does trolling come into it?

I have said what I came in to say. I am happy to leave it at that and let Slugant repeat himself to oblivion with the next victim.

PS we know Slugants next line so I will answer in advance.
If someone is a murderer, stalker and arsonist, would you have no qualms about them doing your housekeeping, because they have no record of being convicted for theft? Your logic is so flawed!

See you tomorrow, Percy!

Btw, the "next victim" will also be operated by the braindead troll who operates TheWaddy's account.

OK, troll. A classic troll-response to a "yes or no?" question:

Plus classic troll-deflection with:

As you know, I was not asking my "yes or no?" question to receive more repetitive spiel. I asked if you are going to post your to-hand statistics, primarily to confirm your earlier claims of the hands that you said you have received. Perhaps you have used a Tracker and have seen that you were imagining them, but are too spineless to admit your mistakes?

Anyways. Bye, the noo.

"Maybe do not allow a subject that clearly can not be proven to exist, if you can not take the facts."

Which facts ?

Wrong. Its clear you never read an RNG certification report or you havent understood any of it.

We are asking someone who claimed he witnessed avalanches of 4 outers and statistical anomalies to show those things. The fact that you are a microstakes player or an omaha player actually is irrelevant at that point. You can prove so easily you are right by showing the hands. By not doing so its clear to everyone that you are indeed lying.

They are not relevant, because sites arent being fined for having a faulty RNG. This never happened. Fines for other things have never been questioned by anyone.

And you have shown what you came to show. Absolutely nothing.

Once again (and I have to repeat myself because you repeat yourself in being ignorant) your hands, the avalanches of 4outers can be proven, easily. If they happened that is. Which they clearly didnt.

But sites arent being fined for murdering and stalking. And they also dont get fined for rigging the algorithm.
Your logic basically is, if someone once shoplifted they would also be a murderer. I hope you see this logic is flawed when the judge sentences you to life in prison because you stole a candy once.
And just because I know you like my repitition, if you think these sites are so scummy and capable of so much wrongdoing, what does it say about you that you have been their loyal customer for over 25 years 😉
Just some more of flawless thewaddy logic 😃

The guy signing the rng certificate of the bigger poker room has almost no followers on instagram and looks like 18 years old, doesnt seem serious to me lol, his name appears on gg poker page certificate and is Nikolas Leander Putra, already sended him alot of messages to know how is the process to test the rng but never responded, i think if we all start to send him messages he will respond to someone

How is he signing off on a RNG he can't inspect?

I doubt theWaddy was a troll he went on for years like this on sky forums before that forum got closed down.

he was also a profitible player.

I also did mention the sky forum community wernt the nicest to put it lightly I dont really want to go into that as that time has come and gone and its healthier to move on in life rather then letting stuff eat away at you for decades. EG if I was convinced that online poker was rigged id stop playing or maybe just play occassionly when bored once in a blue moon i wouldnt let it consume me.

I did mention to him in a message when we exchanged messages that I had at times wondered myself. That is not me joining his side as a riggy. My point was along the lines of many many poker players online when they have ran bad or not got the results they wanted wondered whether there is something shady going on.

However what I wouldnt do is come to forums suggesting that because I would require evidence to show people if I was to make that assertion.

I dont think I am good with tech I have tried before and struggled to get poker tracker working. currently I have too many live commitments to focus on poker to the depths id like to. Once I have got that stuff passed I think I want to develop my game more and try to really go for it in poker. Id benifit from getting poker tracker working and learning to use it for game analysis. I can also test statisticly am I really getting as unlucky as I think? this would help not just for the proving a rig or disproving a rig but help me to be honest with myself when results are not going the way I like. EG have i just being getting very unlucky over this sample size however large or small that is or is it more likely I am being outplayed.

there is a point I could see myself coming here and arguing on TheWaddys side and that is If I can show from poker tracker results that something is off. How many standard deviations people would ask for could vary but I wouldnt entertain bringing anything less then 3 standard deviations out here.

So @TheWaddy yes I have when things have been going bad wondered before but id require evidence before i went on rants like that here id present evidence.

I see a lot of people have mentioned poker tracker to TheWaddy which he doesnt want to listen to. I would like to think when I have the time and resources to allocate I could come here or elsewhere and ask for help getting poker tracker working. If as many suggest it isnt rigged id never post the data as i have no evidence in this scenario and I dont fancy handing all my weaknesses to a community at large to adapt to my game.

If I could show 3+ standard deviations out then maybe we have a discussion although 1 in 370 would be able to have such data by pure random chance so maybe the community would expect more standard deviations. perhaps 4 standard deviations that is 1 in 15787 but of course still more online poker players then that so someone somewhere could have that by pure random chance but I assume at some point the standard deviations would prove it.

sometime I hope late summer might be later I will come here and ask for help getting poker tracker working. more likely it would just help me improve my game not prove a rig but in advance just in case my most frustrated tilt self is right (eg me when I am running really bad and could swear it not right) asking in advance how many standard deviations would people consider to be reasonable evidence for the discussion?

Winni

There is a PokerTracker Support thread here, which has been active for 15 years. Although simple Searches in it would probably get everything you need to assist you, obv you can ask any relevant questions in it.

I exposed Slugant the first day i made an account on this haha. Guy is an obvious shill and loser. Hes not even good at his job i recognized after one reply hahahhaha Slugant

Actually first day you've made your account you havent mentioned my name once.
But thats far from your only mistake.

I did see one of your older posts and maybe you would like to follow up on this with some evidence (although I know you've never done this before)

So you say you have stats that GG is a scam. And its even Everytime & Always.
Thats some conclusive evidence, well done, now we are getting somewhere.

So only one thing left to do...
Would you please share those stats so everyone can see GG is a scam? Then everyone could see what you see.

You would have absolutely no reason to withhold this damning evidence... because only a GG poker shill would hide the evidence of their scammy rigged RNG and you clearly arent one, are you?

I'll be patiently waiting 😀

Tried to play past couple weeks and built up 50 dollar deposit to 11k... withdrew 3 k and since then its been extreme doomswitch...lost 5 k during GG ontario festival past 3 days from pure rigged run bad/set up action.

Once again... same players on festival leaderboard are non stop sun runnin on every table im at... no skill just amazing all in setups non stop.

I wont be on this site again but i am telling you guys GG Ontario is 100% a scam.. i would bet my life on it.

96 ability player on sharkscope and cant seem to keep a bankroll for thousands of tournaments... bizarre.

GL on the fake slot machine scam poker sites guys... if a 96 ability elite player cant even beat rtarded fish over 9000 tournamnets i really wonder how you guys are doing haha

BTW last tourney of the night Allen Shen who is supposedly a top player on GG Ontario shoved 8 5 at the 150 final table.... its a bounty tourney but he had 300'000 i was in 3rd with 120, 2nd had 130... he shoved like 7 hands in a row so i snap with JJ and he hits 2 pair with 8 5........ after extreme rigging my one deep run i lose to 8 5 against a supposed top player LMAO.

When you inbreds try to tell me people are winning because they are good... the supposed good players are shoving 8 5.... calling off king queen off suit for 30 bb in nomn bounties.... they are actually really bad. These are the players they try to tell me are winning because they are good.

I run GG ontario every table and the whole site knows it lol... up 25 k while running worse than imaginable.

The supposed best players on GG Ontario are basic fish lol and i crush them any time we have been heads up, i now laugh at people who think GG tourneys take any skill.. i tried to prove it does but it doesnt.. its all scripted... and they will brutally rig you when they have you listed to run bottom 10%

So you keep playing the site you know is rigged, win 25k and then come here to complain??? makes sense 🙂
How do you run up your bankroll btw, i bet when you win its skill but when others win its luck huh 😃

But hey last time you said this but then disappeared, but we want to see this proof too!

So you say you have stats that GG is a scam. And its even Everytime & Always.
Thats some conclusive evidence, well done, now we are getting somewhere.

So only one thing left to do...
Would you please share those stats so everyone can see GG is a scam? Then everyone could see what you see.

You would have absolutely no reason to withhold this damning evidence... because only a GG poker shill would hide the evidence of their scammy rigged RNG and you clearly arent one, are you?

I'll be patiently waiting 😀

ran up 50$ to 11k in a few weeks and is bitching about running bad.

You just cant make up this ****.

Hi, I bought a lottery ticket for $5 and won 100k but not the grand prize of 1mil...
Does that prove the lottery is rigged against me?