USA Goes to War Against Iran

He thinks it doesn’t count as a disaster unless it affected some douches like him.

Fortunately what he thinks doesn’t matter very much to anyone.

well it was a disaster in certain places and certain people! why are you arguing a subjective term. in this context were assuming your in America.

Every 32 hours 200k people die . its not that big of a deal. gotta go millions+ to make me flinch. if we got angie every 32 hours because another 200k people died how would society function.

It really puts into perspective of calling a dozen us casualties a disaster tho

You’re correct that it’s not like there is some technical definition of the word disaster that I’m appealing to, but I find your principle of how you differentiate disasters and non-disasters odd. It seems like if you want to compare it to all cause mortality, that some concentration camp that killed 200k people in a day, assuming it was possible, wouldn’t alarm you at all because you would just compare it back to the background all cause mortality and find it not too notable.

Of course, it’s not really clear that this isn’t tangential to the original point, which is that it seems like to say that the Iran war hasn’t been a disaster because it hasn’t had much of an effect on most Americans isn’t capturing the way the word was being used in the first place. Also you’re somewhat conceding the point if you’re even saying there is some threshold of disaster not indexed to whether it effects you or not, like if millions were killed in a tsunami or mass genocide.

That would be a different sufficiency criteria which would then call for either a unification of the two senses of the word disaster or an admission that there could be alternative uses not indexed to whether it greatly effects the average American.

this is a really weird thing to say while the US and Israel kill 100s of innocent people per day, and after spending almost 3 years slaughtering 100s of thousands in Palestine backed by the entire liberal world order.

and half the forum cheers it on. and the others, like yourself, act like its a normal and reasonable thing.

So, there is no such thing as antisemitism? Isn't that itself a trope used by Jew haters?

Jews, like white people, are not discriminated against in any real sense. its not 1930s Europe.

So, you are standing by your earlier implication that antisemitism doesn't exist anymore?

it exists in a similar way as lol anti-white racism. it has no power. it cant hurt you.

it is however used to rhetorically support the mass slaughter and theft in the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemiti...

(FBI) data shows that in every year since 1991, Jews were the most frequent targets of religiously motivated hate crimes even though current numbers may be underreported, as is the case for many other targeted groups.[1][2] As of 2023, the FBI calculated that antisemitic incidents accounted for 68% of all religion-based hate crimes, an increase of 63% since 2022

I DO agree with this to a large extent. For some, virtually any criticism of the current Israeli government is considered antisemitism.

I firmly believe that both these things are true:

1. Antisemitism is a real thing.

2. Crying 'antisemitism' at the drop-of-a-hat is a real thing.

It really isn't a weird thing to say given your enthusiasm for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

I haven't said anything to suggest that I thought Israel's response to October 6, Israel's treatment of Palestinians over the decades, or the U.S. war against Iran was reasonable. While all those things were predictable (or at least not surprising) for a variety of reasons, I don't think any of them are reasonable. I've never argued they were.

If Israel's actions were predictable, then they were reasonable. The clear outcome of intransigence and radicalization on the Arab side was always going to be a like response. Or surrender.

Which is funny, because Trump says completely inappropriate things to our allies (he obviously shouldn't have, I dont defend Trump's rhetoric at all), and gets a predictable, reasonable negative response from it. Which you understand very well.

Yet you dont offer Israel the same understanding. Double standards solve nothing. They only make things worse.

Arguing that something is reasonable because it is predictable is a wild interpretation of the world.

FWIW,

I think the actions of European leaders are predicable and reasonable given their circumstances. The native populations of all these nations are all well along being demographically replaced by third worlders mostly indifferent to the nation they live in, extremely negatively pre-disposed to Israel and the US, and highly sympathetic to the Axis of Resistance. So being democracies, European leaders have to follow the wishes of their people.

And this is a process that is only going to accelerate moving forward as the Baby Boomers die off. 50%+ of young people being non natives who hate the US and Israel and are sympathetic to the IRGC and Putin's Russia means this will be the majority of people in Western Europe in a few decades. Simple math.

Demographics is destiny.

Ukraine was approximately as much of an imminent threat to Russia as Iran was to the U.S.--that is, not much of a threat at all. You have created a fantasy in your own mind to justify the abhorrent behavior of a regime that you don't want to criticize solely because it is anti-Western.

Anti-Western isn't a synonym for morally correct (or morally incorrect).

Then the logical extension of your worldview is similar to Victor's. That Jews are inherently psychopaths that dont respond reasonably. Because if your base assumption is Jews are as reasonable as anyone else (that is my contention, we can agree to disagree I guess) then if their response are predictable this indicates they are reasonable. And the problem is an environmental one. Which is my contention.

The rest of the world propping up "The Resistance" for geopolitical reasons so that nothing is ever resolved and it is just permanent conflict with ebbs and flows in levels of actual fighting creates a predictable and reasonable radicalization and escalation.

Lol

Actually, free market democracies are a threat to corrupt autocratic kleptocracies in the very fact that they make it blindingly obvious how much better they are for the majority of people. Ukraine aligning with the West and becoming less corrupt and dysfunctional would be a big threat to Putin's power, because 100 million Russian people would get a first hand view of how bad their political class really is, and how much better it could be.

Putin saw the transformation Poland went through, and he realized Ukraine going through something similar would be an existential threat to him.

--I also think the threat of the IRGC (not to the US per se, but to the entire free market global system) is also more immediate and existential than you do FWIW.

They are predictable and reasonable because unlike you, Europe has learned hard lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan. This fantasy you have about the downfall of Europe is just that, a fantasy, to mask the pain of you literally watching the US fall apart right in front of your eyes.

I'd worry about your own country first.

It is now yes. Want to guess why?

Any chance of some figures to back this up? How many of these are citizens with voting rights? What is the third world born % residing in the USA?

He doesn't do facts, just wild fantasies based on nothing. A week ago he was explaining to us just how badly Iran and its army/navy was destroyed only for US intelligence to completely debunk his claims.

*October 7th

I was talking about a military threat

the USA has always been enemies with Russia. US politicians have always called for hard line actions against Russia. they have always demonized the country. just like they did with Venezuela, Iran, and many other countries.

Russia didnt want an Israel on their doorstep. they didnt want a Western backed, highly militarized, highly ideological enemy on their border. given what has happened to Iran, at the hands of the USA and its proxies, that may have been a good decision.

you act like its just lil old Ukraine that could never be a threat to Russia. but how much damage has Israel done to all of its neighbors in the last decades? Iran is a huge, highly educated, highly industrialized, highly advanced country. if little old Israel can cause so much damage to it from a thousand miles away, how much damage could Ukraine do to Russia?

at this point its just naive to think that the US Empire does not want to smash Russia and take all of its resources.