2/5 Stealing turns into bloated pot oop
2/5 8 handed very high rake fishy room
V is a young asian kid, joined the table not too long ago. He was playing normal until....
HH1
Lags opens 25
V in BB jams for 420 and says he's blind allin and swears on his momma/family he didn't look.
Lag puke call to gamble
V shows ATo and is good. I believe him after seeing ATo.
HH2
Tag reg opens to 15
1 caller
V 3bets to 65 in bb
Both call
Flop 965r
V jams for like 700? and took it down.
I asked if it was blind, he said yea. Not sure about this one though coz it might be he's trying it set up a wild image.
Anyways back to hand
Eff 800, we cover
V rock straddles for 10 in utg
Hero in sb w/A♠8♠ opens to 50(maybe too big 50 to win 15? maybe just folds?)
V calls n say something like he's going to regret this or whatever.
Hu pot 105
Flop T♦8♦7♥
Hero?? What's our plan?
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Btw, hh1 and hh2 were not played back to back...
Like an orbit or two in between.
Actual hand is like another orbit or two after hh2.
The time in between these HH, I didn't see much action from V. Maybe occasionally limp/calls and such.
Thankfully, I rarely if ever have to play with these ******ed straddle rules where SB acts first. I would change seats/tables if this is regular.
$50 is too much. Some people only limp in this spot because it is so brutal. An alternative would be to min raise. Vs a bunch of clueless players, I'd probably raise big PPs big and min raise other stuff or something like that.
You can check evaluate here. Verbal tell pre: most commonly this is a hand that can flop big but isn't high value. Could be like 33 or J9s etc. So he's being honest that his hand could cost him money but he is also priming you to blast off when he hits big.
You're hand has showdown value, but we could also easily wind up bluffing by the river. Plan is to just kind of stick around and win a small pot at showdown or potentially bluff him if you think he has top pair or something and the river gets scary, or maybe draw out and cooler him.
If he bets big OTF, like close to pot, we probably begrudgingly just fold. Our equity isn't great and it will be hard to navigate OOP. I don't think many people are going to start huge multi-street bluffs on a board this dangerous with air.
What's our plan?
Try and get to showdown, so I’m starting with a check.
You bet enough pre-flop to cover the flop, check and evaluate. I’d be pretty worried about v calling 50 pre, but with your description it may mean less.
This is not the kind of player where you want to barrel 2nd pair, but you might be good. If he jams, it would take courage to call.
SB is raise or fold, can’t raise
OOP is a severe disadvantage to Ax suited
Hard to realize your equity
Despite standard SB thought, I call here with all small pairs & suited aces.
Thankfully, I rarely if ever have to play with these ******ed straddle rules where SB acts first. I would change seats/tables if this is regular.
This wasn't a button straddle, everybody folded to us where it's only bb + straddle left.
If we were first to act I think this hand is the easiest snap fold. And no we're not min raising anything.
This wasn't a button straddle, everybody folded to us where it's only bb + straddle left.
If we were first to act I think this hand is the easiest snap fold. And no we're not min raising anything.
OK good. So, it's never a fold then. I still think 5x is probably too big. Hypothetically, if you have a limping range it should contain some hands like this. While I do not believe in being balanced in these games, I think there are situations like this, in which we don't want V to be able to completely rule out a decent ace or the ace high flush whenever we limp.
If the rake structure is bad enough, like in CA games*, we should never limp and always prefer to win pre here. But you also don't want to play bigger OOP. You could go 25-35 depending on how often Vs will fold to these sizes, how bad they are, etc.
*If it is something insane like they just take $9 on the flop, maybe it actually is a fold pre.
Check
Clear check and probably plan on calling down.
If this guy is actually playing hands blind (or even if he is just pretending to play blind) you have to be watching him every hand he's dealt to see if he checks his cards. If you don't already know whether or not dude is blind at this point in the hand, you have made a gigantic mistake. You should have known already in HH2 imo. There are huge EV opportunities at this table that are being missed.
Spoiler
H cbets 50
V calls
Turn 5♥
xx
Riv 3
H bets 125
V snaps
H shows A8
V starts to peak/peel his cards like baccarat, it seems he was playing blind. Finally shows his hand A6o. We are good, almost break a sweat.
Immediately after, he took off, while saying something like he didn't know how to play without playing blind.
Yea...I probably should've paid more attention if he looked or not.
The first HH he said he went blind only because the lag had huge stacks he just wanted more stack depth against him. So I didn't expect him to go blind ever again.
In my experience, most ppl who plays blind does it consecutively and does it mostly preflop.
