USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Kuwait is saying Iran struck two power generation and water desalination plants today. A couple days ago:
I don't know if I believe China. Then again, there are reports that Iran hasn't simply pushed 'pause' on their internet but is basically shutting it down, firing employees and firms. Maybe the regime is going rogue: $2 million a ship times 100 ships per day.
I so those attacks live on the Enforcer. This is a clear war crime.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2...
Trump may be getting desperate. This does not bode well for anyone.
It bodes very well for America’s MIC.
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The President will be speaking to the nation about this heroic rescue. I’ve been briefed about the details and it is truly an historic operation. This will change the course of the war. This will further embolden our troops to press on to victory.
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I’m not trying to beat anything sir. I’m just here to talk politics.
Hey SPRM! I think putting me on ignore would be your best course of action. It seems certain people in here live rent free in your head. I know you had to put Mongidig on ignore because he was getting you all riled up. If you are not emotionally capable of handling debate from an anonymous poster this place may not be for you. I also worry how this might affect those around you
A few snips:
Ty Cobb, who served as White House counsel during President Donald Trump's first term, said Wednesday that president is "clearly insane" and questioned why the Cabinet has not invoked the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former staunch ally turned Trump critic, said everyone in the Trump administration who claims to be a Christian needs to “beg forgiveness from God” and intervene in the president’s “madness”. In a lengthy post on X, the former Republican congresswoman wrote: “I know all of you and him and he has gone insane, and all of you are complicit. I’m not defending Iran but let’s be honest about all of this.
Bernie Sanders, an independent US senator, called it “dangerous and mentally unbalanced”. He said on X: “One month after starting the war in Iran, this is the statement of the President of the United States on Easter Sunday. These are the ravings of a dangerous and mentally unbalanced individual. Congress has got to act NOW. End this war.”
Senator Chris Murphy also called it completely unhinged. He wrote on X: “If I were in Trump’s Cabinet, I would spend Easter calling constitutional lawyers about the 25th Amendment. This is completely, utterly unhinged. He’s already killed thousands. He’s going to kill thousands more.”“He’s threatening possible war crimes and alienating allies. This is who he is, but this is not who we are. Our country deserves so much better.”
Claim: Iran is making more money from oil exports since the war started.
February: $115 million per day
March: $139 million per day
Troll: tHeY sOlD fEwEr bArReLs oF oIl iN mArCh
Let me guess... this clown judges poker sessions by how many pots he drags and not how much money he drags.
They are intentionally restricting exports to secure the highest price per barrel.
i was just explaining based on your own numbers their volume has actually decreased.....
I hope the President follows through with his threat to bomb Iran into the Stone Age. The Japanese quickly realized the US wasn’t playing at the end of WW2. They were nutty people similar to these jihadists. Maybe not as nutty. If they know massive force is going to kill them all they will capitulate.
If the President does not follow through then I’m done with him. I allow for his crazy antics because he gets the things done that I want him to.
A few snips:Ty Cobb, who served as White House counsel during President Donald Trump's first term, said Wednesday that president is "clearly insane" and questioned why the Cabinet has not invoked the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former staunch ally turned Trump critic, said everyone in the Trump administration who claims to be a Christian n
LOL at suggesting the 25th amendment would ever be used or questioning why it has not been used yet. The last two administrations have shown that neither party would ever use the 25th Amendment to remove a President from their party from office.
A few snips:Ty Cobb, who served as White House counsel during President Donald Trump's first term, said Wednesday that president is "clearly insane" and questioned why the Cabinet has not invoked the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former staunch ally turned Trump critic, said everyone in the Trump administration who claims to be a Christian n
I don’t think he has gone insane. He is very sharp in his speeches and cabinet meetings. He is an old man and old men don’t care what you think about them. He is saying things we are not used to Presidents saying I’ll give you that. As long as he follows through I’m fine with it.
LOL at suggesting the 25th amendment would ever be used or questioning why it has not been used yet. The last two administrations have shown that neither party would ever use the 25th Amendment to remove a President from their party from office.
This is a good point. Compare Trump to Biden. Trump is sharp as a tack. Biden was deep into his Dementia toward the end of his Presidency. He absolutely should have been removed.
This is a good point. Compare Trump to Biden. Trump is sharp as a tack. Biden was deep into his Dementia toward the end of his Presidency. He absolutely should have been removed.
Biden was completely gone cognitively, and the Democrats tried to pretend otherwise. But he wasn't really a threat. There were enough people around him to prevent anything truly catastrophic from happening. That is not the case now.
This is a good point. Compare Trump to Biden. Trump is sharp as a tack. Biden was deep into his Dementia toward the end of his Presidency. He absolutely should have been removed.
Based off those quotes many people think he has gone insane. Insane people don’t have to sound like they are tired and sleepy. If you ever had a friend or family with mental illness they can often seem lucid when talking to you, but then get them around someone else and they sound insane, or they will have moments of insanity sprinkled in.
What we have seen is that Trump is often saying things that he should not be saying. Like admitting they sent weapons to the Kurds to give weapons to the Iranian protestors. That’s something that could get people killed. There are other random things he have said that he’s not supposed to.
Biden on the other hand never had a moment of spilling state secrets, which puts him ahead of Trump. And where exactly is the investigation about the autopen? Seems like it didn’t go anywhere.
Biden was completely gone cognitively, and the Democrats tried to pretend otherwise. But he wasn't really a threat. There were enough people around him to prevent anything truly catastrophic from happening. That is not the case now.
Sorry if Biden was gone cognitively, why is he walking around completely normal with seemingly not much wrong with him? We know he had an illness he was recovering from before his debate. I imagine the stress of the presidency was a lot.
i was just explaining based on your own numbers their volume has actually decreased.....
I'm not sure where lakes for his numbers from, during my exhaustive 5min Google search I couldn't find anybody quoting a price per barrel that Iranian oil was asking for. But if they're selling less product and making more money, in what world is that not a win? If the numbers are correct, they would also refute dunyain's assertions that lifting the sanctions did not allow Iran to sell at a more premium price.
Some articles I found said that there are 95 million barrels of Iranian oil out at sea that left before this debacle started.
Sounds like India was willing to pay a premium.
he got it from ai i reverse engineered his search "how much oil did iran sell in march compared to february" it gave me the same numbers
it linked this article
I never said its not a win for them. I agree it is. he just worded it very politically and its their one strategic advantage listed for the 15th time in a different wat I dont think an extra 24 million a day is going to replace their navy and air defenses
sadge i got baited into doing more research into this then he did himself.
oh i found the source
"Based on export estimates from Tankertrackers.com and prices for the country’s flagship grade Iranian Light, Tehran would have earned about $139 million a day from sales of its main Iranian Light crude blend so far in March, up from $115 million in February."
the numbers are from tankertrackers.com and its an estimate obviously.
So like I said its not actually what they sold it for but what its market value is with the current hike.
both dunyains assertion that they are selling it for less at a discount and lakes estimated value of the oil can both be correct. My problem was lake selling his estimates that he googled as facts and not estimates. If I have a 139 million dollars in oil and no one is willing to pay me full price for oil. do I have 139 million dollars?
I'm not sure where lakes for his numbers from, during my exhaustive 5min Google search I couldn't find anybody quoting a price per barrel that Iranian oil was asking for. But if they're selling less product and making more money, in what world is that not a win? If the numbers are correct, they would also refute dunyain's assertions that lifting the sanctions did not allow Iran
There isn't going to be a public benchmark price for Iranian oil like Brent or WTI and most sales are going to be handled privately. And since we know that most of those private deals are long term contracts with China and INdia, a good chunk of that oil would have been committed to at early time with lower prices.
You probably had a boat load (pun intended) of buyers looking to lock in prices before the incoming disaster. Those guys are fiercely competitive like that. I know I topped off my vehicles when the **** started hitting the fan and that was only worth a couple bucks.
I hope the President follows through with his threat to bomb Iran into the Stone Age. The Japanese quickly realized the US wasn’t playing at the end of WW2. They were nutty people similar to these jihadists. Maybe not as nutty. If they know massive force is going to kill them all they will capitulate. If the President does not follow through then I’m done with him. I allow for
Apart from the hideousness and illegality of this approach to iran, if you wanted to try to mimic what happened in Japan then you need to leave the leadership in place rather than kill them all.
You can't get the leaders to capitulate to save their skins when you keep killing them.
A few snips:Ty Cobb, who served as White House counsel during President Donald Trump's first term, said Wednesday that president is "clearly insane" and questioned why the Cabinet has not invoked the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former staunch ally turned Trump critic, said everyone in the Trump administration who claims to be a Christian n
LOL at suggesting the 25th amendment would ever be used or questioning why it has not been used yet. The last two administrations have shown that neither party would ever use the 25th Amendment to remove a President from their party from office.
'impossible' things happen all the time these days. It probably requires a power play to seize the moment by some group. That was missing with Biden who also wasn't anyway near as dangerous as trump is (whatever you think of their cognitive skills).
It's unlikely but Thiel, Vance & co might just go for it if the opportunity presents. Might depend if they think trump will go quietly in a couple of years or burn it all down.
Apart from the hideousness and illegality of this approach to iran, if you wanted to try to mimic what happened in Japan then you need to leave the leadership in place rather than kill them all.
You can't get the leaders to capitulate to save their skins when you keep killing them.
You're vastly overestimating the discounts which have actually decreased
Before the war they were selling oil for $70 per barrel with a 10% discount, iirc. Now they're selling it for over $100 with a 2% discount due to the supply shortage. So they've basically doubled their gross profit per barrel.
So Iran wants to charge tolls - which seems to be non-negotiable from their end - of around $2 million per tanker in exchange for opening the Strait. I think the tankers hold 1-2 million barrels, so basically a $1-2 per barrel surcharge. China isn't too happy about it nor are the Gulf states; Putin would rather the Stait stay closed since Russia has basically paid off their entire budget deficit with rising prices and eased sanctions; and EU seems okay with Iran's scheme. The rest is commentary.
'impossible' things happen all the time these days. It probably requires a power play to seize the moment by some group. That was missing with Biden who also wasn't anyway near as dangerous as trump is (whatever you think of their cognitive skills). It's unlikely but Thiel, Vance & co might just go for it if the opportunity presents. Might depend if they think trump will go qui
Trump has become a massive liability to the GOP heading into the mid-terms. Since the Dems will go along with it, the numbers are probably there. And it will give a lot of Trump voters who feel betrayed by him a sort of out. But I'm more than a little biased.
It's possible. trump may be becoming so dangerous that getting rid is sufficient.
My only point is that looking at how bad trump is, is missing a lot from the possibility of a 'coup'. Much more likely to happen if someone has their eyes on the prize and is willing to wield the sword.
It's possible. trump may be becoming so dangerous that getting rid is sufficient.
My only point is that looking at how bad trump is, is missing a lot from the possibility of a 'coup'. Much more likely to happen if someone has their eyes on the prize and is willing to wield the sword.
Yeah, I agree. But Trump has surrounded himself with a Christian cabinet, not all of whom are likely buying his sincerity. Wittle Wubio probably hasn't forgotten. And Vance will need a VP. I suspect the issue will come front and center over the next couple of days.
