2/5 - How light we 3betting this laggy fishy guy?
2/5 8 handed, very high rake and fish infested room.
Table is filled with shortstacks.
V is a lag, opens very wide(37s in mp) and frequently. Cbets high frequency. He's crushing the table, been sitting with over 2.5k since I've sat down. He seems very sticky vs the fish. He doesn't chop blinds, stole my bb 1 time.
Spoiler
HH1
V in HJ opens 20, H 3bets to 65 w/KThh, V calls w/ATcc
Flop KKQccs H cbets 50, v x/c
Turn 8s H bets 160, V x/jam for like 225 more, H calls and is good.
HH2
Fish opens 30 in co AhKo
V in btn w/QJo
Flop AJThh Fish cbets V calls
Turn Qh fish bets again V calls
River K xx, I was surprised V checked back
HH3
2 limpers
V in btn opens w/65o
like 3 callers
Flop A87ss fish donks 50 V calls
Turn 9s fish bets 100 V calls
Riv 6 fish bets 175 V calls and is good, fish shows 88
H has 3betted 3 times already, 2 vs V's open, 1 squeezing V in between. V folded twice and called ATs in hh. H has also folded all the times V opening light/wide.
Eff is 1000 after we stacked him on HH1
I'm on the immediate left of villain.
I've been getting hands like A8s, A6s, AJo in Btn/CO/HJ. His open size are 20, I think if we go 65 again, he'll call a high frequency even being oop.
Not sure how he responds to cbets oop in 3bet pots besides HH1 when he had the draw for royal flush.
He's often the aggressor.
So how light we 3betting villain when villain is opening so wide??? We should expect villain to expect us to 3bet light? We are the only person at the table doing the 3bettings.
What's our postflop plan? cbet range even on bad boards?
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Not sure about my advice on this one, but I am not looking to 3bet wider if I expect to get called. When you take fe out of the picture, there’s less reason to bet.
IDK why villain would think you are 3betting light; doubt he’s thinking about that at all.
I’m looking to trap people that like being the aggressor. I like being the aggressor and that’s one of the hardest things to deal with.
I’m just calling with small pairs & suited aces anyway - don’t want to get 4Bet off a hand with potential. Nitty me considers AJo as trash most of the time.
I don’t know that you open up your game a lot against a wide opener. It’s more like when you have a hand, you can play it with more confidence.
If he’s folding to them, we can 3! wider, and mix in all those suited Ax, some suited Kx etc
If he’s calling them, then we just want to 3! A linear range and punish him for continuing too wide.
Grunch:
The only HH you gave that would make us think V is opening too wide is the one where he opened on the BTN with 65o over 2 limps. I'd think that's too wide, but if V perceives himself as having a skill edge over the limpers, or if the limpers tend to over-fold pre, it's not entirely outrageous.
The more salient insight from the HH's you gave is that V appears to be aggro, and possibly sticky, and likely to make mistakes post-flop, especially when we have position on him.
I don't think I'd want to start widening our 3B'ing range to include very many trashy hands, especially if we think he's going to be sticky, even when we use a larger 3B size. I'd prefer to just 3B a reasonable range, but exploit his tendencies by using an even larger 3B size.
For example, instead of 3B'ing something marginal for $65 over his $20 open, I'd like to 3B something that really should be 3B, but make it $70 or even $80.
As for post-flop, I'd just out-play him.
I wouldn't necessarily range-bet all flops if we think he's opening wide and calling our 3B's wide. I'd think he'll be doing a lot of x/r'ing on boards that favor his range more than ours, and putting us into tough spots (especially if we were 3B'ing light and range-betting the flop).
As an example, if we 3B 65s and we smash the flop, I'd c-bet for value. If we 3B AK and we just whiff, I'd be doing a fair bit of checking back. I'd be cautious not to over-play modestly strong hands like over-pairs on middling or low-low-low boards. I'd play my combo-draws aggressively, and give him rope when we're nutted.
If it helps to add some context to your HH's:
HH1 - he's got a pretty big draw. When you bet $160 into $230 and he only has $225 left, you're not giving him many options. He either has to jam or fold. I wouldn't hate on him for jamming, when it seems likely you're not going to bet again on the river if he gets there, and he doesn't have enough left behind to donk as a bluff.
HH2 - he checked back with the nut straight in a spot where his opponent could have a flush and it's hard for him to get called by a worse hand if he bets. I wouldn't hate on him for checking back.
HH3 - his open with 65o over 2 limps is debatable, but maybe not horrible. He called the flop donk with an OESD and got there on the turn, but so did the FDFD. He's not supposed to fold there, and he's probably not supposed to raise. The river card sucks, but he had to call off a less than 1/2 PSB, so it seems pretty standard, and I wouldn't hate on him for how he played it post-flop.
He may be LAG, but I don't see anything to make me think he's a bad LAG. You're basically asking us how to play poker against a decent reg.
HH1 - he's got a pretty big draw. When you bet $160 into $230 and he only has $225 left, you're not giving him many options.
It was 225 on top, we started with 500. We weren't folding any hand unless we had some random air that barrelled.
He may be LAG, but I don't see anything to make me think he's a bad LAG. You're basically asking us how to play poker against a decent reg.
I know the title might be misleading. But when he's so sticky against the fish, it does make me wonder if he's actually a bit fishy.
Also another hh that wasn't mentioned was he bet 25/call 420 blind jam with some random Ax. This hand literally made me think he was there to gamble not your usual grinder.
It was 225 on top, we started with 500. We weren't folding any hand unless we had some random air that barrelled.I know the title might be misleading. But when he's so sticky against the fish, it does make me wonder if he's actually a bit fishy.Also another hh that wasn't mentioned was he bet 25/call 420 blind jam with some random Ax. This hand literally made me think he was
Maybe he's making those plays against them, but not against you. Be careful not to assume too much about the what he's doing vs you, based on what you see him doing vs them.
In a recent session, I jammed over a l
2/3 pot flop donk from the only other good player at the table, in a 3BP. Before he called, he said he'd fold vs anyone else at the table, but not against me.
I had KTdd as the pre-flop 3B'er on QdJhTh = bottom pair + 1 over + OESD + BDFD. He had QTcc for top & bottom pair.
No one else at the table would have had our two hands there. They would all have top 2P or better.
Game recognizes game.
Your question is too vague but to parameterize it a bit... BTN (me) vs CO (him) at 1000$ eff (me) to a cold 20$ open:
[A2s+, K7s+, QTs+, ATo+, KJo+, SCs: 45s+, S1Gs: J9s(+)]
