2/5 ~ limp pot combo draw vs reg

Played fine…
With your image, you could probably get a check-raise bluff through, but I would rather delay the bluff for the river.

I would call with the expectation that I will likely donk big (maybe even shove) most rivers. This just looks so strong, especially with your image.

Obviously, if you hit your hand, you switch to a size trying to be called. If an ace or king hits the river, you probably can’t get folds & must x-fold.

If you call and donk on a blank river, it looks like a busted draw. What are you representing. It makes no sense to play a big made hand that way.

Have to at least call down, and hard to bluff on the wet board.

I’d say he technically has more than we do because he could be doing some dumb limp reraise with AA/KK that failed to materialize.

What’s the very worst hand V is leading pot into 4 opponents?

V is uncapped, and led into 4 opponents on the flop. Closing our eyes and donk shoving as a bluff isn’t winning poker.

Villain can have 2 pair or a straight. As mentioned, he could also have AA/KK for a high set. This is a board which obviously hits a lot of hands hard. This is not a good board to semibluff on, so I would just call and draw and give up if we miss.

This is a good point, perhaps the image and nutlike semi-bluff is not enough. We still need fold equity to pull it off & may not have enough.

Just call and try to hit your hand then lead it. This is a really bad spot to bluff as others have said.

Maybe, but you don't have any choice. You have a strong draw and can't fold or raise.

Grunch:

PRE - seems ok.

FLOP - seems ok. I'd be tempted to x/r if we think our image is super nitty.

TURN - seems like an easy call. Again, I'd be very tempted to x/r as a semi-bluff.

If we just x/c flop and turn, and we just brick on the river, I'd seriously consider a very large donk with our specific holding, like 2x pot. We could easily have a lot of QJ here, including QJcc that smooth called the whole way after flopping the joint with a redraw to the 2nd nuts.

If we make our hand on the river, I'd still donk, but for a small size, like 2/3 pot.

Either way, I think we're better off having the betting lead getting to the river, or just taking it down without having to make our hand.

If I had to guess, I'd say V isn't bluffing into four opponents on the flop. He may have AX, but maybe not a premium combo that would usually raise pre. Might be AQo/AJo, or some lower suited AX maybe. He could also be on a draw.

If your image is super nitty I'd x/r the flop. The problem with the turn is if you hit it's very obvious when you lead out especially if your a super nit. I would call if you're willing to bluff K/T/Q rivers, otherwise not sure the math but it's very close.

Do ppl really believe such line??? x/c twice then donk 2x believe they have the nuts on a super wet board????

You just have to call and draw. It isn't great EV, but better than anything else.

A couple people suggested bombing a blank river. I saw a video where that is mentioned as a donk play burning money. It makes no sense and looks like a busted draw. Would you play a set or straight that way, letting him maybe draw on the wet board?

In a limped pot MW I can see x/call flop to keep dominated hands in but once he goes 2/3rds on a blank turn this is an auto x/r for me to fold out 1-pair (or to get it to fold river)...unless he's a player that limp tarps AA up front pre..V is mega capped

x/r turn is a reasonable approach and way better than bombing blank river. If villain is really a pro, not sure what he has limping UTG. Maybe QJs/KTs, AA/KK if he plays that way. However, hero is even more capped in BB. It is such a wet board, which is why I wouldn't semibluff.

It's an under-bluffed line.

With reason, because it doesn't work.

Whole hand is kind of weird, because the typical hands that are limped from EP aren't big cards, they're small pairs, suited aces, and some kind of suited connector. Kind of odd (for a good player) to limp hands like ATo, KTo, QJo, but maybe he thinks the table is so bad he can get away with it.

I think he could also have a medium/small suited ace also and be betting fairly aggressively because he up against a BU overlimp, SB complete (from LAG), and BB check. It's quite obvious that TT, KK, AA, and big aces aren't in play here. He's only worried about AT/KT/QJ and there's a lot of hands to get value from. Since he's a LAG, he might even merge bet KQ or KJ getting us to fold a weak ace and call with a draw like this. So I'm fairly sure this is a situation where we want to be raising some draws, because his range surely isn't just NFD or two pair+. If we only raise the nuts, he has a fairly easy decision with every hand that's not the nuts. Qcxc and Jcxc seem like the ideal candidates to bluff with, but I'll be damned if I know which ones to raise in a GTO sense. Maybe the smaller kickers are better to raise because we want part of his range to have the 9c or 8c in it? + there's more A9/A8 in play. If we bluff every Qcxc and Jcxc combo, then we're bluffing too much also.

If you’re viewed as a supernit why didn’t you bet out 25 on the flop from the unraised BB repping A-rag cc?

As played, it’s a super nitty xf on the flop hu oop “very” high rake—you’re getting like 7/5 on the call—unless there’s a large HH bonus or jackpot. I like the suggestion V might’ve been LRR with AA KK, but it’s a face up “there’s not enough in the pot” fold regardless.

You are getting 2-1 immediate on the flop and 2.5-1 immediate on the turn.

He isn't potting the flop multiway on the wet board with Ahxh or something. Maybe he limped suited broadway or AA/KK or he is betting Acxc. It doesn't make that much sense he should hit this flop, but he shouldn't be potting it multiway if he didn't hit it pretty hard.

Agree with doc
You set up the play with calls - *must be stronger to call than bet* - so by the river, villain is not so sure anymore.
The donk looks like you’re afraid of a check-back, because you’re loaded. Villain Will Fold!

The lines you take, have been taken before. To say it doesn’t work doesn’t hold water when I’ve seen it over & over again.

This works; you don’t have to represent anything, you don’t have to be an OMC, just make the bet. If you framed it differently where villain was the hero, everyone on this board would tell you to fold to the donk.

2/5, +1, btn sb bb limp, $20, +1 bets 25, very high rake e.g. $10, so effectively 7/5.

But regardless it’s a fold on the flop unless large bonuses or jackpots are in play.

Yeah, folding the flop could be best, although not many would do that, partly since we don't have good semibluffing opportunities or good implied odds.

Despite all the threads in which we all agree that x/c-x/c-donk is one of the most under-bluffed lines in all of poker.