Should Hero Fold When Aggro Villain Donk Jams This Turn?
Live €550 PLO tourney. We are in the money - 12 players remain out of 170. Hero has played extremely tight and nursed a micro stack through the bubble, which he has now spun up a little, but is still one of the short stacks. It's 3am, we've been playing for 13 hours, and everyone is wired/exhausted. Villain has been playing aggressively all tourney and built up a huge stack as a result - he has also bet hero out of several pots along the way.
PREFLOP
Action folds to hero (13.5bbs) in the hijack with A♦A♥T♥5♣. Hero opens to 3.5bbs. Folds to villain (55bbs) in the BB, who calls.
FLOP (7.5bbs)
5♠5♦4♠
Not too shabby a flop. Villain checks, hero bets 4bbs, villain calls.
TURN (15.5bbs)
5♠5♦4♠8♥
Villain donks for 15.5bbs. Hero...?
14 Replies
No.
Why didn’t you bet full pot on the flop?
At spr 0.4 I think we need to stack off vs aggro villain. Flop sizing is interesting, I’d think we want to go to small or pot.
Because I had trips and wanted action, so I bet smaller to keep his range wider.
At spr 0.4 I think we need to stack off vs aggro villain. Flop sizing is interesting, I’d think we want to go to small or pot.
I agree. I think this is an almost impossible fold to find, especially at this stage of the tournament, given how it has played out thus far. I only need around 22% equity to call, assuming I'm behind. I have 6 outs to improve, I beat all his bluffs, and there's also a small chance he plays hands like K5xx and Q5xx this way.
Never ever folding you got what you wanted
you're really thinking about folding trips for 6 BBs to someone you describe as aggro?
Well I'm glad to see the consensus is to call here. Arguments for folding are obviously simply to survive in the tournament and avail of some juicy laddering spots. But overall I think I agree - this can never be a fold at this SPR vs this player type.
I think Hero's bet is not too small, but too big on the flop. You want him to start jammin/continuing with fds, sds and overpairs. I would bet 2 or 3 bbs, and obviously not folding.
Yeah, maybe so. If I just flopped a bare overpair, I was potting of course. Glad to hear another person say that they're never folding here.
So in the end I decided I could not let this go and flicked in the call. Villain showed Q♦T♦7♠6♥ for the straight, and I missed the river.
C'est la vie. I still think it's the right call in this spot, against this villain. He was laggy, could be bluffings, and could even be value-betting worse (K5 or Q5). I need around 22% equity to call. I have six outs if I'm behind, which is 14% of so, and I felt the remaining 8% was easily made up (and more) given the villain type, the fact that he was a big stack bully, and also that he may be value-cutting himself. Surely these huers can't have it every time, right!? To his credit he recognised that I have a lot of overpairs in this spot, it's difficult for me to have boats/straights, and as a result he can value bet the straight on a paired board. He went on to take down the tournament for €20,000.
N.b. This was an Omaha 4/5/6 card tournament - an orbit of each. I only played it as it was the only available tournament that didn't clash with a day 2 of a different tournament I had the following day. It was a lot of fun and cool to run deep. Shame I couldn't do some damage to the big stack after he had been running bluffs all day, but that's life I guess.
GG, it was always gai there. Nice run. Does sound like a fun tournament.
Never folding. You just got unlucky. As you said earlier he could have worse 5's. Also he could have flush draw and be using his stack to try and get you to fold since in prior hands you had done so to aggression.
Never folding. You just got unlucky. As you said earlier he could have worse 5's. Also he could have flush draw and be using his stack to try and get you to fold since in prior hands you had done so to aggression.
Yep, that was my thinking too.
