USA Goes to War Against Iran

obviously ending a civilization does not mean killing them jumping to he means a nuclear attack was some biased stuff especially from someone with zero credibility that goes on manic posting spress more then me . it was a pretty awful use of words tho. damn what a taco teusday who could have predicted this.

Infact we know what his acual threat was because it was also in his reranged post. It was targeting civilian infrastructure bridges and pwoer plants. Thats not nukes!

so if things that looks like accidents are not accidents and secret us war crimes? whats an accident look like? just curious

I think im gonna have to spam him that lovely news for a couple months after this

i mean they might the fees of other choke points is pretty similar I think usually 1 million not 2 inflations a bitch

I'll give DJT his props if this ends up being true. Probably wouldn't cede the operation was worth it but a more positive outcome than I would ever expect.

well they already did that in January but i think they would need longer then two weeks. they needed 3 months last time

The US can't keep up the pace of production, that's a truth. From what I have get to known, US interceptors are 20% successful. The math will not work out, so I'd do a trumpy-Trump, admit victory and go home. No better idea!

I agree. Their internet was off before the war, and they've basically dismantled it. So the regime's priorities are going to refocus internally as they murder a million or more regime dissenters on the way to their lasting or final solution. It's going to be a nightmare for the Iranian people.

If you want to say that Trump's actual intentions were just to bomb civilian infrastructure, fine. I probably agree with you. But any argument that this is the most natural interpretation of the actual words he used is absolute horseshit. The actual words he used were the language of genocide.

Israel already refusing to agree to this.

I agree on that, but can't see how US-bombs can make this any better.

To be fair to Trump. Netanyahu did sell it to him that way.

If only we could've seen any of this coming. No regime change, life got infinitely worse for Iranians, **** got more expensive for us.

What exactly was achieved?

I guess Israel managed to steal some more land during all of this. That's an achievement.

I think the Atesh was their only real hope. So weakening the IRGC, which the bombs did, might help level the playing field. But Trump going cowboy on this certainly wasn't the way to go.

Consumers of petroleum products will pay for it, so the GCC's don't care. The simple fact is that as long as Iran can hit anchored ships with $10,000 drones, the insurance situation doesn't make sense in the Gulf. The key is to guarantee that that doesn't happen, which, after how much the US has pissed of the Iranians, will have to involve paying a toll.

With natural gas the pipeline makes sense, as that is a far more efficient way to transport it than liquification. The US has been getting overrun by the Shia militias in Iraq, though, so that could be a big problem. Such a huge investment and so many people capable of sabotaging it.

Look at the transponder map. Nothing has changed so far. A few ships going through the toll booth and that's it.

lol

If we are going to play that game, the literal goal of the IRI is to destroy the world to bring on end times. And no one (except people in Israel) seem overly concerned about it. So it would seem the sudden concern of literal interpretations isn't coming from a place of 1st principle.

You're very wrong about Syria. Netanyahu loves that he can fly refueling planes over with impunity now. That's why he is capable of large-scale attacks on Iran.

The price for Gaza is going to be absolutely massive, as it will lead to Israel getting defunded and possibly embargoed once the boomer generation is dead. The long-term strategy in Israel is insanely (and I don't use that adverb lightly) bad. There is a state of mass delusion in the country, and they seem to have forgotten that their only natural resource is offshore nat gas that will be very difficult to defend.

Hamas, Hez, and Iran's goal is to slowly erode public support (which, if you look at the polling, is working amazingly) and force the Israelis to make major concessions a generation down the road. All three are willing to make mega sacrifices to do that, so they don't care about short-term L's as long as the general trend is going in their direction.

Blaming Trump's behavior on Netanyahu is ridiculous. I'm sure Netanyahu wanted Trump to start a war with Iran. I'm sure he encouraged Trump to start a war with Iran. But Israel has never been in a position to give the United States orders. The Trump administration bears full responsibility for this decision.

where did you get this horrible number? even isreal has like a 95%+ rate barely anything gets through why do you think us casualties are so low. this "war" probably has a 1000-1 kill ratio. The first part of what you said is true but the later part is crazy. I geuss ill try playing fact checker part 2

"Based on recent reports surrounding 2025–2026 conflicts in the Middle East, the claim that U.S. interceptors are 20% successful is not supported by performance data, but rather appears to be a misunderstanding of reports regarding the depletion of stockpiles."

Interceptor Performance Data
High Success Rates: US and allied defense systems, such as Patriot and THAAD, have shown high success rates (often over 90%) in destroying incoming missiles and drones in recent operational environments.

The problem is they are expensive and yes they are probably running out. but they have been very successful.

The problem with being a democracy compaired to a terrorist regime is its hard to get elected when you lose even 15 armed forces members. while iran can lose 100k+ and be fine because they will just kill you

It does seem that Islamism is going to be a plague that destroys the civilizational gains of globalization. And no one else has the will, and increasingly capabilities, to do anything about it.

The entire world should prepare for a much poorer future moving forward. IF humanity survives the ascendence of 21st century political Islamism, this time period will probably be viewed as a period of worldwide civilizational decline akin to what the Mongols created.

Which is why I still am not sure what China is thinking. What is the point of being the pre-eminent power of the world (assuming they even get there) if there isn't much of a world left to rule over? Who do they plan on selling their goods to if global supply chains and energy completely break down?

I dont think anyone has very high hopes for a world where Islamist theocracies are in nuclear arms races, which is where things are headed. The Sunni GCCs have already stated if Iran goes nuclear they will also. I actually assume the "loans" nations like UAE and Saudi have given Pakistan are actually down payments for nuclear weapons if/when Iran goes nuclear.

Yeah. This allegation of hypocrisy doesn't work on me. I don't know exactly what statements you are referring to, but I never shilled for the Iranian theocracy or claimed that its words should be interpreted to mean something other than their natural meaning.

I admittedly am more concerned with the words of the American president than I am with the words of the Iranian theocracy because (i) I am American, not Iranian, and (ii) the U.S.'s ability to cause harm (both militarily and economically) is so much greater than Iran's ability to cause harm.

Long term strategies only matter if you think there is going to be a long term. I dont think Israeli leaders think there was going to be a long term to worry about if they allowed themselves to be surrounded by Iran and its militias. Now they have some breathing room here, so they can work on rehabilitating their image. First thing is first; you have to ensure your short term survival; then you can worry about the long term.

This is the drum I have been banging for 3 years. Is that by facilitating actors like IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. the rest of the world is providing Israel with extremely poor incentives.

ya it was but unfortunately people dont even know what it means because they drink the coolaid. it does not mean killing every single person in a nuclear strike.

Idk somewhere along the line people started associating genocide=death. Thats not what it means