2/5 ~ limp pot combo draw vs reg
2/5 ~ 8 handed very high rake, fish infested room
V is between a lag(normal style)/tag(today), a winning reg. His profit
Despite all the threads in which we all agree that x/c-x/c-donk is one of the most under-bluffed lines in all of poker.
It doesn't work on a wet board and a blank river, because it looks like what it is, a missed draw.
It doesn't work on a wet board and a blank river, because it looks like what it is, a missed draw.
It looks like the flopped nuts that was slow played.
If it looks like a bluff, then we should always be taking this line for value. And yet I have no doubt most people here wouldn't, because it looks so nutted that V will never call with SDV.
I'm nittier than most of you guys and I surely won't advocate x/r anywhere. Some ppl put V on sets but what about a suited hand with the A♣? Suddenly, Hero's FD doesn't look so hot. Even if the ♣ hits I wouldn't be so sure esp playing for 700eff. Hope Hero's hitting the gut.
In game we folded.
V didn't show.
I was thinking, V has to have some nfd and st8s in his range. I guess also some random AJ/ATo/JTo?
In game we folded.
V didn't show.
I was thinking, V has to have some nfd and st8s in his range. I guess also some random AJ/ATo/JTo?
V was UTG, right? Guy bets BIG into 3 players (4, including you in the blinds) on a super-wet flop, he definitely has a monster already...unless he's insane lol.
It looks like the flopped nuts that was slow played.
If it looks like a bluff, then we should always be taking this line for value. And yet I have no doubt most people here wouldn't, because it looks so nutted that V will never call with SDV.
You don't take it for value, because if you had QJ for a straight, you would want to get value from draws and protect against a 3-flush 4-straight or paired board. You can't have flopped a set in the BB unless you are a really awful passive fish. Who checks AA/KK in a limped pot in the BB? So you are representing one hand that would never play it that way.
I would call the flop and turn, but I don't mind folding either. There isn't that much value. A good player could maybe have the nut flush draw, but is unlikely to have a worse flush draw based on preflop and flop.
You don't take it for value, because if you had QJ for a straight, you would want to get value from draws and protect against a 3-flush 4-straight or paired board. You can't have flopped a set in the BB unless you are a really awful passive fish. Who checks AA/KK in a limped pot in the BB? So you are representing one hand that would never play it that way.I would call the flop
V made a PSB into multiple opponents on the flop, and then barreled for 2/3 pot on turn. What would you expect hero to do with QJcc here, if not flat call flop and turn, and then come out and donk river on a brick? Hero's straights are getting value, when V is blasting off.
Yes, hero couldn't have flopped a set, except maybe a set of T's. But he could have easily flopped the nut straight with QJ in the BB in a limped pot.
Unless V was going for a limp-3B pre, he really can't have any of the sets either. His line just looks like AX, probably AXcc, that will have a hard time calling a 2x pot donk on a river brick.
Regardless, I'd rather x/r turn and then jam river. But if we do decide to x/c flop and turn, our only hope of winning when we brick is to donk.
If you had QJ is the BB, it would probably be QJo, because there are more combinations of that and you might raise QJs.
If you had QJ for a straight, it would be better to raise the flop or turn and try to get 4 bets in with a limped pot. Plus you could represent a draw and get value from draws, which will fold to a river bet.
If you bluff 2x pot on the river, it has to work 2/3 of the time. UTG could have a set or 2 pair and is unlikely to fold to that.
You are representing one hand, which you should never play that way.
As mentioned, I saw a video which mentioned calling down on a wet board and leading a blank river as a basic donk play.
