GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Lebron was good at carrying popcorn watching his 2nd and 3rd options carry him.

One of his teams was Wade, Bosh, Allen. They had other dudes that were real good too. 3 point shooter can't think of his name right now was good at shooting the 3.

If Jordan had Wade, Bosh, Allen as options he'd just laugh and put his arms up like when he couldn't miss a 3 in the finals. Like sorry, but i can't miss right now. Wade alone was sick. He won a championship without Lebron carrying his heat team over Dirk's team. Then had to carry Lebron and figure out how to win with him. How to carry the king while making people believe lebron was the 1 option? Sorry Lebron, just keeping it real. Still very solid career.

Chris Bosh made bad career choice. If he stayed on his own woulda been a batman on his own team. On Lebron's order your perfect players teams he wasn't even Robin. He was Alfred. Love was Alfred too.

Bosh and Love are Batman's for teams that don't make the playoffs. Allen was 62 years old.

Lebron's 4th best player in Allen woulda been best player Jordan ever played with.

Lol, yeah but that senior citizen still could shoot. You never lose that.

How did Toronto do when he was there his first 7 years?

He had a good team in Toronto. Just not good enough to beat great teams. Who did they have to get past those years? Think it was the big 3 Celtics.

Made the playoffs twice. Lost in first round both times (Nets and Magic).

A batman for dominant team.

Nice trolling.

And that was in an Eastern Conference that has been called garbage many times in this thread by Fallguy. A team like that would've won 25 games tops in the West.

Old Ray Allen would've been the 5th best player on most of Jordan's championship teams. About the same as he was on the Heat. Or are you saying that players in the 90's were that bad?

Prime Allen? There's a Pippen vs Allen discussion on Reddit. Allen has 0 votes.

Might as well say Shaq with his pants pulled up around his chest was the best player either of them played with.

I didn't say he was batman for a dominant team. I said he was Batman on his team. He was a free agent the year he went to miami and the whole league was trying to get him. At the time the biggest and best free agent.

Lol. Whose trolling now? Ray Allen 5th best player on the bulls? He's prolly better than Pippen so why i said best player Jordan woulda played with. But 5th? So Pippen, Kukoc, and who else? Don't tell me Rodman was a better player than Ray Allen. Kerr and bj armstrong? Better than Ray Allen? No disrespect to Rodman and to those guys but c'mon bro. Rodman's scoring range was 1 inch from the basket on a follow up rebound. While Ray Allen 2nd best shooter in league history. Close one but i'll go for Ray Allen. But respect for Rodman as he wasn't a talented player but had an excellent career through hard work/effort.

Rodman was 8th best player maybe on the pistons. I hate trashing Rodman as i'm a fan. But gotta keep it real. And he did well for himself through heart and effort. Since Jordan didn't have much help he was maybe 4th best on team.

Yeah, the pistons were stacked. Another reason took Jordan awhile to get through the bad boys. They were really good. Jordan 1on 5 didn't work for him until he finally broke through one of the greatest teams assembled. And Jordan was so good the pistons always had a fight against a team with only one player.

You do understand that we're talking about 37 and 38 year old Ray Allen, right? Like WTF even is this discussion?

We're talking about a guy that scored 10 points per game with Lebron and Wade driving and kicking the ball. He was basically Steve Kerr at that point of his career.

Steve Kerr at a stretch. Kerr shot 50% from 3. Ray shot sub 40% as a Miami player.

****, even comparing prime Allen (who I liked) isn't close to Pippen.

So now to make Lebron look better Jordan was the one lucky enough to have Steve Kerr as his shooter. Because Lebron had to settle for Ray Allen shooting. Yeah i bet alot of people will say Steve Kerr was better at basketball than Ray Allen. All good. But c'mon bro lol.

Really? Ray Allen had a career before he played with Lebron. Pippen played his whole career next to the greatest player in history. I wonder if he looked better as a result of that. When Jordan was retired for awhile Pippen wanted the ball and try and be batman. Phil Jackson said no as he knew Kukoc was the guy. Pippen was mad.

Of course playing Jordan reduced Pippen's numbers. When you play next to a guy that takes 25+ shots per game that happens. Pippen played one prime season without Jordan. He was 3rd in MVP that year. Ray Allen finished 9th once, that was his best finish. Pippen had a 5th, 7th, and 9th all while having to be a 2nd option.

Stop making terrible arguments that make no sense.

It feels like as we talk about it that everyone that got to play with Jordan their career's were lifted up. While everyone's careers were lessened playing with Lebron. I wonder if this is do to Jordan being better than Lebron? Or is that Jordan had pedestrian talent around him compared to lebron so they looked better getting to play with him. While Lebron had a huge bag of riches where great players had to accept lesser roles making them look worse than they were.

Ok bro let's be real 38 year old Ray Allen is on the Mt Rushmore of basketball with Chris Bosh and Antawn Jamison and Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman are glorified G Leaguers.

No, this is just what you and Fallguy think. Nobody else. And the 2 of you are probably the same person anyways.

I'm making terrible arguments while you've told me Steve Kerr was better than Ray Allen. All good but let's keep it real when discussing who the goat is.

38 year old Ray Allen was comparable to prime Steve Kerr. Especially when you factor in that players in general have only gotten better as time goes by.

"Prime" Steve kerr. Like the dude was some great player. No offense Steve you had a decent career considering you were playing against great talent. I once had a ford escort in it's prime. Still wasn't as good as Ray Allen who was a Ferrari. I'm sure Steve would admit playing with Jordan lifted his career. I could be wrong but i don't think Kerr ever made an all star team. I'm pretty sure Ray Allen did.

I'm sure the league was on notice when they had to play "prime" Steve Kerr.