[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
Let's not forget that you've also "debunked" the same experts, as well as literally pretty much every other scientist of the last several centuries. Looks like the good work here is mostly yours.
Anyway, I'm with Gorgo - you're way too stupid, ignorant, pig-headed, dishonest and obnoxious to even attempt to have a discussion with you on literally any topic. **** off.
Hope BillyBootStrap enjoys blogging, since that's what this thread's apparently gonna be for a while.
You were barely in. You didn't even cite those journals you were on about.
Earlier I was actually about to present an analysis of genesis ch 1 and 2 to highlight a rather significant problem for a young earth philosophy based on Genesis. But it felt too dirty, like somehow its profundity would be muddied by sharing it here.
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There are at least two threads in RG&T on the subject of YEC.
If you want, we can take this discussion there.
Before we move over there, I'll find and post the journal links in this thread.
I found a peer-reviewed YEC journal published by the Creation Research Society, called the Creation Research Society Quarterly.
That's ok. It is the "flat earth 9/11 covid is fake" label. I understand."Gorgo likes vaccines" is a, justified imo, dig at gorgo because I perceive he has a militant agenda against anybody he has decided is an "anti-vaxxer".From that, and the conspiracy thing, it is only natural to assume I am against vaccines. I am neither for nor against vaccines.What does strike me is that
Preventative medicine is, in fact, a thing.
What does strike me is that vaccines appear to have a unique status in medicine. Generally, medicine is taken to deal with specific symptoms. Whereas here we have a future proofing against some potential future illness.
This is an absurd position with respect to medical care generally. Asymptomatic people get mammograms, colonoscopies, blood work, etc., done all the time. And it isn't even a true statement w/r/t medication. If you travel to certain areas of the world, you will be advised to start taking antimalarial drugs a few days before you arrive. If you are prone to sea sickness, you might take medication before you get on a boat to prevent you from throwing up over the side of the boat.
This is an absurd position with respect to medical care generally. Asymptomatic people get mammograms, colonoscopies, blood work, etc., done all the time. And it isn't even a true statement w/r/t medication. If you travel to certain areas of the world, you will be advised to start taking antimalarial drugs a few days before you arrive.
See response earlier - reposted here.
These are prescribed to *individuals* based on diagnoses for that *individual* who is likely to present symptoms or has history of relevant illness, i.e. reasonable preventative prescriptions based on *individual* diagnosis. There are no arbitrary prescriptions for random patients. That would be quite insane. Yet this is done routinely with vaccines.
Tell me a prescription for a patient who shows no sign of illness; is unlikely to become ill; and is not vulnerable to illness. The very notion of a patient who is perfectly well and healthy is a contradiction in terms. Yet with vaccines we see this is perfectly accepted. Encouraged even. Enforced! - in some places.
Ps. "Vulnerabilities" should be dealt with as a separate discussion, as that is rather a more nuanced issue. Let us stick with the oxymoronic healthy patients.
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See response earlier - reposted here.These are prescribed to *individuals* based on diagnoses for that *individual* who is likely to present symptoms or has history of relevant illness, i.e. reasonable preventative prescriptions based on *individual* diagnosis. There are no arbitrary prescriptions for random patients. That would be quite insane. Yet this is done routinely with
Antimalarial drugs and measles vaccines both serve a similar purpose. They prevent a person who is currently healthy from becoming sick as a result of a future encounter with a specific virus. The only difference is that antimalarial drugs work in a different way than measles vaccines work.
Antimalarial drugs and measles vaccines both serve a similar purpose. They prevent a person who is currently healthy from becoming sick as a result of a future encounter with a specific virus. The only difference is that antimalarial drugs work in a different way than measles vaccines work.
Mad isn't it.
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This is an absurd position with respect to medical care generally. Asymptomatic people get mammograms, colonoscopies, blood work, etc., done all the time. And it isn't even a true statement w/r/t medication. If you travel to certain areas of the world, you will be advised to start taking antimalarial drugs a few days before you arrive. If you are prone to sea sickness, you
Excellent examples.
I find it strange (but maybe I shouldn't) that billy thinks disease should only be treated once one has symptoms*. People that have polio should just be glad iron-lungs are available.
*Of course billy will say he never said that. It's part of his schtick - say things that lead to only one logical conclusion and then deny that's what he thinks.
Billy's idea that someone who is unvaccinated is "unlikely" to be exposed or become ill from the disease in question is an absurdity. The *only* reason it is unlikely is because of vaccines.
I find it strange (but maybe I shouldn't) that billy thinks disease should only be treated once one has symptoms*. People that have polio should just be glad iron-lungs are available.
*Of course billy will say he never said that. It's part of his schtick - say things that lead to only one logical conclusion and then deny that's what he thinks.
Dis-ease. Think on.
Some definitions of dis-ease state it is a measurable condition. That is reasonable. The observables are known as symptoms.
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Billy's idea that someone who is unvaccinated is "unlikely" to be exposed or become ill from the disease in question is an absurdity. The *only* reason it is unlikely is because of vaccines.
See, this is all over the place.
Impressive gorgo managed this in just two sentences.
"Become ill from the disease".
Disease, what's that?
"A disease is an abnormal measurable condition".
Illness, what's that?
"Illness is an unhealthy condition of the body".
And that is just the first sentence, a tautology.
This is what access to publications gets you, and some kind of, was it paid work analysing these things? I forget.
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Billy's idea that someone who is unvaccinated is "unlikely" to be exposed or become ill from the disease in question is an absurdity. The *only* reason it is unlikely is because of vaccines.
Almost everyone contracted measles in the United States before there was a vaccine.
Fresh from proving the Earth is flat using the definition of "science", Billy has now proved that we don't need vaccines using the definition of "disease". Where would we be without someone as smart as Billy around to look words up in the dictionary and enlighten us about these things!
I found a peer-reviewed YEC journal published by the Creation Research Society, called the Creation Research Society Quarterly.
Started on Andrew Repp, groundwork for creation cosmology pt 2 working assumptions. Thus far his proposal is to recycle every ridiculous bit of hogwash from any and all fields of so-called Science and condense the whole thing into Creation Week (i cant help but think of making dioramas and dressing up as Noah). That requires messing with time intervals. There is some basis for doing this ofc. Time is flexible it turns out. YEC appears to be labelled as pseudoscience but for all the wrong reasons. It is only pseudoscience insofar as it accepts mainstream pseudoscience.
It is rather baffling I have to admit. And seems totally unnecessary. Though this borders on discussing deeper matters that have no place here. If you post in whatever thread or a new thread I should see this in tapatalk. Tapatalk is the only way I can log in to 2p2. I have no idea why or how it works.
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Tapatalk is the only way I can log in to 2p2. I have no idea why or how it works.
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Understandable. I heard John Von Neumann struggled with everyday tasks as well, it's a sure fire sign of genius level intellect.
Why is Earth orbiting the Sun? It is proven to be stationary.
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As you are so concerned with definitions, you might want to brush up on what "proven" means.
Hint: it doesn't mean "internet conspiratard mis-applies some middle school physics formulas and proves everyone wrong".
Mmm, love those wafer biscuits as a change from all those round chocolate balls.
We've given billy several methods to verify the shape of the earth personally in this thread. He can always use the Biruni method, but hasn't (I posted a video showing it done and using the results to calculate the diameter and circumference of the earth). He could also just use the vanishing point method (calculated vanishing points always appear above the horizon, which could only happen if the surface was curved) but hasn't done so.
Strange.
Let's face it, Billy is not really interested in finding out that the Earth is round, or that the WTC wasn't brought down by space lasers. He is interested in the warm feeling he gets from his delusions of grandeur and believing that he is part of a small group smart enough to see something that everyone else doesn't. Pretty much like every other conspiracy theorist. He just wants to be contrarian, but he is stupid/ignorant and delusional enough to believe that he actually has incontrovertible proof for the contrarian view.
As you are so concerned with definitions, you might want to brush up on what "proven" means.
Hint: it doesn't mean "internet conspiratard mis-applies some middle school physics formulas and proves everyone wrong".
But it does include observations such as the Michelson-Morley test and drop tests.
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