GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Miami Heat Ray Allen was never an all star, and he hadn't been one the year before in Boston either.
So we might as well talk about how Jordan played with 4 time Scoring champ George Gervin if we're just going to play dumb.
Miami Heat Ray Allen was never an all star, and he hadn't been one the year before in Boston either.
So we might as well talk about how Jordan played with 4 time Scoring champ George Gervin if we're just going to play dumb.
Maybe they had a rule in place where all the players on your team can't be on the all star team.
I didn't understand the Gervin reference. Don't think he played with him. Gervin is old ages player. Sorry just don't get the point.
Jordan had B.j Armstrong in his prime too. Man that dude had a bundle of riches. Poor lebron had to play with the league of legends.
Only 2 titles with that team is criminal. And Ray Allen only reason they got 2 as they were set to lose to Spurs in 6 after Lebron missed and ball kareemed off rim to Allen who didn't miss. Remember their pep rally where they thought they'd win in the 10 ring range. You think Jordan wins more than 2 with that team?
Was Lebron even the best basketball player on his team? Wade won a championship before Lebron by himslef, and after Lebron with a very old Shaq. Lebron shoulda let Wade cook more he'd have more titles. Wade didn't want to step on toes. Anthony Davis was better too prolly. They won the bubble title because of Davis. Now he plays with Luka. So let me get ths straight? Lebron's the goat even though he wasn't the best player on his own team sometimes? Nobody can tell me when people questioned if he was the best player on his team lol.
Was Lebron even the best basketball player on his team? Wade won a championship before Lebron by himslef, and after Lebron with a very old Shaq. Lebron shoulda let Wade cook more he'd have more titles. Wade didn't want to step on toes. Anthony Davis was better too prolly.
You've got everything out of order and wrong. Wade won with Shaq at the tail end of Shaq's prime, years before Lebron came to Miami. Let us know when Davis ever wins anything in his career without Lebron.
Just stop posting so you can stop being wrong about everything.
You've got everything out of order and wrong. Wade won with Shaq at the tail end of Shaq's prime, years before Lebron came to Miami. Let us know when Davis ever wins anything in his career without Lebron.
Just stop posting so you can stop being wrong about everything.
The Shaq title was before Lebron? Thought it was after Lebron left. My bad.
Davis has goat type skills but could never stay heathy. Still a monster on defense and get you a basket on the regular. Pretty sure Lebron lucky he got to play with him.
Why you post like your mad all the time? Just like having debates on who really was the greatest. Can't we do that without being angry? Peace bro. Love, not hate.
You've got everything out of order and wrong. Wade won with Shaq at the tail end of Shaq's prime, years before Lebron came to Miami. Let us know when Davis ever wins anything in his career without Lebron.
Just stop posting so you can stop being wrong about everything.
Davis in his prime had to play for the Pelicans. I think if we put him on the league of legends miami heat he woulda won some more.
Take Lebron off the league of legends and put Davis in. I think we have more titles than Lebron got. Wade and Davis woulda worked real nice, while Bosh under the basket, and Ray Allen waiting for the ball at 3 point land. Yummy. More i think about it its sick how overrated Lebron is. Now he gets to play with Luka. Poor guy Lebron never had a chance playing with such pedestrian players. Sad really. Let's not forget Kyrie. Uncle Drew could play! Kevin Love too lol. It's crazy. Poor Poor Lebron, if he only got to play with some talented players. While Jordan got to rock with "prime" Kerr. It was primetime all the time! So unfair really for Lebron. They shoulda dusted off Bird, Magic, Dr J, and George "The Iceman" Gervin so Lebron could field a team. So sad.
Really? Ray Allen had a career before he played with Lebron. Pippen played his whole career next to the greatest player in history. I wonder if he looked better as a result of that. When Jordan was retired for awhile Pippen wanted the ball and try and be batman. Phil Jackson said no as he knew Kukoc was the guy. Pippen was mad.
Yes, I'm taking the guy who had 2 Top 5 MVP finishes, 3 All NBA firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds (and 10 x All NBA defensive teams) over the guy who has never finished Top 8 in a MVP vote and has one all NBA second team, and one third (obviously no All Defensive teams).
But that's just me.
Hey let's not get crazy Lebron averaged a 20/5/5 for 23 years. My oh my "The Greatest".
Yes, I'm taking the guy who had 2 Top 5 MVP finishes, 3 All NBA firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds (and 10 x All NBA defensive teams) over the guy who has never finished Top 8 in a MVP vote and has one all NBA second team, and one third (obviously no All Defensive teams).
But that's just me.
If Pippen didn't get drafted to Jordan we wouldn't know the name. Didn't have a good jump shot. Defense he couold play though. Ray Allen came into the league by himself and made his name on his own. 2nd best shooter in league history behind Steph. I'll go with Ray Allen.
And prime Steve Kerr was, at worst, comparable to Allen at 38 years old. Obviously Allen had a better career.
But here are some numbers for Kerr's 4 years with MJ, vs Allen's 2 with LeBron
WS per 48 - 0.181 vs 0.114
PER - 14.5 vs 13.8
BPM - 2.3 vs 0
3P% - 49% vs 40%
If Pippen didn't get drafted to Jordan we wouldn't know the name. Didn't have a good jump shot. Defense he couold play though. Ray Allen came into the league by himself and made his name on his own. 2nd best shooter in league history behind Steph. I'll go with Ray Allen.
How do you know this? We only have this reality and Pippen's CV makes Allen look like a G-Leaguer.
And prime Steve Kerr was, at worst, comparable to Allen at 38 years old. Obviously Allen had a better career.
But here are some numbers for Kerr's 4 years with MJ, vs Allen's 2 with LeBron
WS per 48 - 0.181 vs 0.114
PER - 14.5 vs 13.8
BPM - 2.3 vs 0
3P% - 49% vs 40%
I'd guess numbers look better when you play with the greatest player of all time. I can't remember a Kerr jump shot being contested because the whole team was smothering Jordan.
I'd guess numbers look better when you play with the greatest player of all time. I can't remember a Kerr jump shot being contested because the whole team was smothering Jordan.
I love the argument that when Jordan's teammates play well, it's because of Jordan, but when they play bad, MJ is carrying them.
When LeBron's teammates are playing well they are carrying him. When they play bad it's LeBron's fault.
Good work FG.
Fun fact. The first season of Kerr's run with the Bulls was before MJ came back, or the **** version that finished the season.
His numbers...
WS per 48 - 0.153
PER - 13.5
BPM - 0.8
3P% - 52%
Basically very similar.
Good theory though...
Alright you convinced me kerr is a hall of famer maybe with goat status. But woulda been nice to make an all star team first if we're gonna goat kerr. Ray Allen has a resumee. And imo he held back his numbers for the betterment of the team. He wanted to make Lebron feel like he was good so he held back his talent. They all pretended they weren't that good so Lebron's ego stayed in tact. Especially Wade. Musta been hard for him to watch Lebron take the ball at the end of the game pretending he was the man who shoulda had the ball. Evenetually Lebron admitted Wade was the man who should have the ball so they got a couple titles.
Also on the celtics. Ray Allen wanted to play nice as he had 2 great players to play with. So he just chilled and scored when they asked him to. But if he wanted coulda been an animal player.
Everyone comes up with numbers that are so misleading to protect Lebron. I leave the numbers to you. I go on eye test. Jordan was way better than Lebron, and Ray Allen was way better than Kerr.
No one is saying that Kerr is a better player than Allen. What we are saying is that 38 year old Allen wasn't a star.
the shooter you can't think of his name (on Miami) was Mike Miller
the main reason (imo) that LeBron even began to think of leaving Miami was that the owner (who LeBron made much wealthier by increasing the valuation of the Heat) didn't want to pay Mike Miller. Basically being cheap, when MMiller was LeBron's boy. That REALLY pissed off LeKing.
the shooter you can't think of his name (on Miami) was Mike Miller
the main reason (imo) that LeBron even began to think of leaving Miami was that the owner (who LeBron made much wealthier by increasing the valuation of the Heat) didn't want to pay Mike Miller. Basically being cheap, when MMiller was LeBron's boy. That REALLY pissed off LeKing.
No he's not the guy i was thinking of but there's another guy. I was thinking of the tanned good looking guy who specialized in shooting 3's. I looked it up. Shane Battier.
Wow. Clyde "The Glide" Drexler? How disrespectful. Clyde Drexler could ball. I forget who was on his team but they almost won a title until oops. They ran into that guy Michael Jordan. Was that the series where Jordan just picked up his hands and shrugged his shoulders like sorry guys. I can't miss a 3 if i tried. Like it was too easy.
