Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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UTG is tight passive, but doesn't open limp???? Not really sure what to make of that read.Does this mean he only bets very high equity draws and good value postflop?LJ 3betting UTG and a caller should be tight even if he's good.With someone who's sat recently your read could be off and this could easily be pure KK+ and maybe some AK?Good chance you should just fold AKo/QQ here
i took it to mean that utg is both not a fish and also wider than someone who does have an open limp range but chose not to
in SRP wide vs wide configuration flop goes X-B-R-C what is BB's overall strategy on turns? My recent goals have increasing the number of x/r bluffs on flop when I think the PFR IP is stabbing too wide/too often. eg Hero in BB vs BTN open, flop is 2d, a green Uno reverse card and a subway coupon. BB checks OOP, original preflop raiser bets small (<= 50% pot) and hero thinks V i
what does any of this mean? be specific
I shoved and he called. Board ran out and I won. He took 40 secs to call and I honestly think he might have had AK
Not sure it's right though and am still not
I did it basically for two reasons - I thought I had more chance of looking bluffy and potentially getting a call from a dominated pair with a shove. And I knew I wasn't folding unless an A came on the turn.
Also with calling, it's harder to get his stack. If I just flat, a turn lead seems weird, but if I check it back then it's really hard to get it all on the river and it means I'm giving him two cards to outdraw me
fyi, I started a thread about it. Consensus in there seems to be that I should flat and maybe lead turn.
Interesting question is what should I do with AK there on the flop? Play it the same?
UTG is tight passive, but doesn't open limp???? Not really sure what to make of that read.
Does this mean he only bets very high equity draws and good value postflop?
Eh, I said "probably leans tight-passive" not "is a huge nit". Observed fact that he doesn't open limp, but I would be surprised if he 3b/4b pre at close to an equilibrium frequency and postflop very likely bluffs significantly less than equilibrium and doesn't defend widely enough.
The result at table: everyone folds. Someone said to LJ "c'mon, show your Jacks" (probably implying they thought 3b JJ there was light/a bluff, lol) and he said "worse". Someone else asked "Ace Queen?" and he shrugged.
Without the shortstack fish in there, it's a 0 EV mix between 4b and fold in equilibrium. I would believe that UTG is slightly wider than a solver since few players adjust enough to position, but also can't imagine LJ being wider than equilibrium here (could easily be tighter and still have way more than JJ+/AK). I'm not sure the extra 4bb really helps us all that much since he can forcibly realize by calling for 33bb only and (ignoring the result) feels like a spot where fish can't resist the idea of getting it in with almost any decent hand.
Deeper stacked against the better players, I wasn't in a hurry to play a still low SPR 4-bet pot OOP and I guess I correctly remembered that QQ is a very marginal cold 4b. I folded, but it was a little rough to let go of the best hand I was dealt all session by a country mile. See the Q mucked helped the decision, but I want to say it's a fold regardless.
I shoved and he called. Board ran out and I won. He took 40 secs to call and I honestly think he might have had AKNot sure it's right though and am still notI did it basically for two reasons - I thought I had more chance of looking bluffy and potentially getting a call from a dominated pair with a shove. And I knew I wasn't folding unless an A came on the turn. Also with c
i'm happy to shove ak and run it to live with variance the times qq etc look you up - but i'm also of the don't play big preflop unless you want to get it in on most boards school of thought - so advice is more of well now that were here may as well variety
if hes calling ak and thats not a crazy call in your game then i def lean shove the qq instead of calling
How much, if any should I raise here?
1-3 nl H in cutoff with Ajo. Button straddles. Both blinds complete, 2 limpers, H takes it to 40.
I hate preflop raise sizing. Too small and you get too many callers. To big and no one calls or you risk hanging yourself.
How much, if any should I raise here
1-3 nl H in cutoff with Ajo. Button straddles. Both blinds complete, 2 limpers, H takes it to 40.
I hate preflop raise sizing. Too small and you get too many callers. To big and no one calls or you risk hanging yourself.
Meh. I think your sizing is more than likely in the right ballpark.
AJo is cuspy. Feels like we're being too nitty if we fold, too aggro if we raise, too passive if we over-limp.
I'd probably raise. We should probably fold.
Meh. I think your sizing is more than likely in the right ballpark.
AJo is cuspy. Feels like we're being too nitty if we fold, too aggro if we raise, too passive if we over-limp.
I'd probably raise. We should probably fold.
It depends on villains at the table but I agree re sizing and that probably Cut off/HJ is an open and any earlier is a fold but that it’s close between opening and folding
How much, if any should I raise here
1-3 nl H in cutoff with Ajo. Button straddles. Both blinds complete, 2 limpers, H takes it to 40.
I hate preflop raise sizing. Too small and you get too many callers. To big and no one calls or you risk hanging yourself.
yeah i think 40-50 is the right range
10-10-20 about $4500 deep. This is about as big as I've played and I'm not very experienced at this level. I have never played in this casino and probably seem like a generic MAWG.
V1 is pretty clearly a loser in the game, known to the table who greeted him warmly when he sat down. But he does not appear to be the r word. I expect he could beat 1/2 He makes it 50 2 off the button. V2 is a pro. My estimate is that he is not some super crusher from hell, but a a solid winner at these stakes in a softer market (probably better than me). V2 makes it $200 from the button.
We find AQs in the straddle.
10-10-20 about $4500 deep. This is about as big as I've played and I'm not very experienced at this level. I have never played in this casino and probably seem like a generic MAWG.V1 is pretty clearly a loser in the game, known to the table who greeted him warmly when he sat down. But he does not appear to be the r word. I expect he could beat 1/2 He makes it 50 2 off the b
Fold, without reads.
GTOwiz 200bb is roughly:
HJ open raise
BTN 3bet
BB cold 4bets AQs ~60% (for -0.01bb) and folds the rest of the time for 0 EV.
With 3 blinds everyone is supposed to be tighter.
Is it worth it to 3bet in low stakes games. This is what I mean. So many players will limp with their weak hands, then raise with their strong hands. If you know they are strong when they put in a raise why put in more money? Is calling and seeing what comes on the flop to save money a better way to play?
Is it worth it to 3bet in low stakes games. This is what I mean. So many players will limp with their weak hands, then raise with their strong hands. If you know they are strong when they put in a raise why put in more money Is calling and seeing what comes on the flop to save money a better way to play
At LLSNL, and especially on non-deep stacks, we probably shouldn't be getting too out-of-line with our 3bets against the more passive ABC players. So just 3bet the premiums against them and perhaps widen slightly against the more aggro raisers + dead money, imo.
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Is it worth it to 3bet in low stakes games. This is what I mean. So many players will limp with their weak hands, then raise with their strong hands. If you know they are strong when they put in a raise why put in more money Is calling and seeing what comes on the flop to save money a better way to play
This is a correct observation and it is one of the big mistakes people trying to profit at 1/2 or 1/3 make. They see videos about higher stakes in which AQo is 3! and then do it against a guy who limps 70% of the hands he plays.
However, you still should 3! some times. If a guy limps 10 times and then raises and you have AA, do you think he is going to make some meta read and fold his QQ+ to a 3!? You should raise big!
Other players don't limp or rarely limp and you can use conventional 3! against them.
Still other players will use different raise sizes for different hand strenghts and we can adjust accordingly.
There will still be good squeeze spots.
Anyone else sit out during bomb pots? I'm not sure why/when they became a thing but for me, it's too expensive to play. It feels like a forced straddle, a waste of money imo
I'm trying to play $1/$1 NLHE and these people want to pay $5 to play a bomb pot
Anyone else sit out during bomb pots? I'm not sure why/when they became a thing but for me, it's too expensive to play. It feels like a forced straddle, a waste of money imo
I'm trying to play $1/$1 NLHE and these people want to pay $5 to play a bomb pot
If you dont like them,or dont feel comfortable just keep sitting them out.
Unless you are visiting like a new privategame/homegame with lots of easy fish money thats gonna benefit you in the future,then i would just be doing what they are usually doing in that game.
At LLSNL, and especially on non-deep stacks, we probably shouldn't be getting too out-of-line with our 3bets against the more passive ABC players. So just 3bet the premiums against them and perhaps widen slightly against the more aggro raisers + dead money, imo.
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Just as a quick aside here, I think the advent of “GTO” and the wide adoption of charts means that I think (though I could be wrong) there’s a generation of players who might not know what “out of line” actually means. What you and I might think of as out of line is often included in solver-approved 3bet ranges.
Anyone else sit out during bomb pots? I'm not sure why/when they became a thing but for me, it's too expensive to play. It feels like a forced straddle, a waste of money imo
I'm trying to play $1/$1 NLHE and these people want to pay $5 to play a bomb pot
Playing a $5 BP in a 1/1 game sounds silly on its face.
I play in a home game that's 1/3 with a fair bit of straddling going on. The game will often get wild and play bigger. We play a $5 DBPLOBP every orbit.
Anyone can sit out. Personally, I don't usually judge anyone who sits them out if that person is otherwise good for the game. I typically play them to help cultivate my image as an action player, because I otherwise don't VPIP much in the NLHE hands. I'll usually just fold flop, so I sort of look at it as one extra straddle or ante per orbit.
Rather than look at it as a waste of money, consider if learning how to play them will improve your skills and make you more well-rounded.
Anyone else sit out during bomb pots? I'm not sure why/when they became a thing but for me, it's too expensive to play. It feels like a forced straddle, a waste of money imo
I'm trying to play $1/$1 NLHE and these people want to pay $5 to play a bomb pot
can't tell if this is a level or not - well played
I think the advent of “GTO” and the wide adoption of charts means that I think (though I could be wrong) there’s a generation of players who might not know what “out of line” actually means. What you and I might think of as out of line is often included in solver-approved 3bet ranges.
I would caution this with: Lots of people excuse their plays by saying/thinking it's solver approved, but in reality the solver has checking/folding ranges that are so far removed from what humans are doing that even if they are trying to have bluff ranges which are close to what the solver does it doesn't mean much. Also basically nobody live has solver open sizes below maybe 5-10.
Like okay you are opening A5s UTG 9 handed, but are you open folding AJo/KQo? Even if you ignore that everyone else isn't playing like a solver, you can't just randomly take parts of the tree (which are probably +0.5bb or less) and just completely ignore other branches and say the result is good (or not out of line).
Anyone else sit out during bomb pots? I'm not sure why/when they became a thing but for me, it's too expensive to play. It feels like a forced straddle, a waste of money imo
I'm trying to play $1/$1 NLHE and these people want to pay $5 to play a bomb pot
It's your money, do what you want. Esp. in a very accessible public game like that. 5x the bb at 100bb is a lot, and the variance will be high. In the private game I play where we do 2.5bb NLHE bomb pots fairly often, it's not uncommon for 150-200bb stacks to shrug and go in.
I was once in a 2-5 game where everyone at the table wanted to make it 2-5-10, and I might have been in the top 3 players at the table ... but it was uncapped and one guy had at least 20k in from of him, and I wasn't prepared to lose that kind of money. This game isn't just about cards.
However saying all that I would say that any deviations to the game from what people can easily see on 666 youtube videos is much more likely to be better for someone who thinks about the game (and I include anyone here in that). Lots of people play bomb pots bad, mostly people think of it as though everyone limped in and then a few will decide they can just bluff everyone off all the time ... both are bigger mistakes than they'll regularly make at the normal 1/1 game.
It's your money, do what you want. Esp. in a very accessible public game like that. 5x the bb at 100bb is a lot, and the variance will be high. In the private game I play where we do 2.5bb NLHE bomb pots fairly often, it's not uncommon for 150-200bb stacks to shrug and go in.I was once in a 2-5 game where everyone at the table wanted to make it 2-5-10, and I might have been in
Your 2-5/10 reasoning is weird. The guy’s 20k stack is irrelevant - there’s no need or reason for you to put that much in play …just don’t buy in that deep?
Your 2-5/10 reasoning is weird. The guy’s 20k stack is irrelevant - there’s no need or reason for you to put that much in play …just don’t buy in that deep?
Yeh, I was already in the game but only playing about 1k so effective stacks at that point were fine ... but my plan was to play bunch of hours and I didn't want to get lucky and then be playing with 2-3k vs. a guy who absolutely didn't care about the money in a bigger game.
Maybe it would have been better to agree to the straddles and ship a 2k pot and snap leave, but I just said no at the time.
My point was more that you can do WTF you want with your own money, even if it would be good in a theoretical long run to do something else, and you shouldn't feel bad about it.
Yeh, I was already in the game but only playing about 1k so effective stacks at that point were fine ... but my plan was to play bunch of hours and I didn't want to get lucky and then be playing with 2-3k vs. a guy who absolutely didn't care about the money in a bigger game.Maybe it would have been better to agree to the straddles and ship a 2k pot and snap leave, but I just sa
I get it. my main game is 2/5-10 (1000) but we often switch it to 5-10 because the rake is lower. that game has a 3k buy in because there's an optional straddle, but I stick with my 1k buy in and even if we don't play the 20, I can get uncomfortable with 3-5k stacks all around me...particularly if I chip up
