USA Goes to War Against Iran

if the point of your project is to drive a bunch of people out of their homes and steal all their land and resources, it doesnt matter if the first people did it "legally." its still a great crime.

When was the last time a Native American strapped bombs to their child and sent them into a bus full of American citizens? I’ll wait for you to provide a source.

And you really have no idea about Israel’s origins. The Jews were largely purchasing unwanted land from absentee landowners. Jewish ingenuity turned land the Arabs couldn’t do **** with into something they were willing to sacrifice their children for.

So basically what Africans, Middle Easterners and Asians are doing in Europe, the US and Canada then. "Legally" migrating, buying property and ultimately displacing the native White population. Correct?

My point exactly.

Auslander Raus. Time for the Great Reconquista 2.0.

Even when Jews purchase land legally it’s a genocidal Zionist project. You can’t win with these people.

Still waiting on a source for a Native American suicide bombing Americans because their ancestors were driven off their land.

It would be good if israel's current leaders cared as much as you about what is legal

I think it’s clear that for better or for worse, Israel has determined that it can no longer continue to fight a completely asymmetrical war against overwhelming odds. If their enemies aren’t bound by any rules or laws and simultaneously have the support of the entire western world outside the US, their only option is to fight fire with fire. We’ve been expressing this since 2023.

no not really. there isnt some grand plan to displace Whites and take over. its just refugees. mostly bc the USA destroyed their countries and there are no opportunities their bc all of the resources and wealth is siphoned off.

also, the Whites are not native to America.

Oh all Jews and all Arabs are descended from the same recent ancestors? Do you want to amend this statement or are you sticking to it?

I agree, didn’t know anyone said there was in this thread. That would be weird.

Why would it matter if whites are native to America for the European refugee crisis?

right thats why I specified "America".

They don't get to commit war crimes and then rely on the law. And arguing overwhelming odds against the main military power in the region, backed by the usa (and the rest of the west before netanyahu's horrors) is bizarre. I dont dispute the difficulty but the odds were very much with israel and against the Palestinians

There's also the illegal settlements. There really isn't any concerns about legality. It's just whatever netanayahu & co want to do and can get away with.

uh, dude?

oh my

I’ve never been a supporter of the settlements but if the 2 state solution is dead this changes Israel’s situation and I don’t think they can cede the settlements at this point.

Uh what? Are you denying that Palestinian refugees get special treatment that’s never been awarded to any other group in human history?

You may believe that but it's not reasonable to also argue that legality of settlements matters.

I was talking about the legality of Israel’s establishment in response to Victor’s lies. I agree the settlements are illegal.

But again from Israel’s perspective the settlements are now a necessary buffer zone between them and radial terrorists who aren’t receptive to diplomacy. If you want resistance by any means, Israel will have to respond in kind. The western world is going to have to deal with this ethical dilemma eventually.

When push comes to shove Israel is going to value its existence and the lives of their civilians. This should be abundantly clear based on how much they invest in defense and protection for civilians compared to every other nation in the ME.

Yes, Palestinians get special treatment. You should do some research on the topic.

The special treatment ensures they will be fodder for the Arab world but it’s not Israel’s fault or their honus to fix the problem.

You recognize that the problem stems from the Arab world but you don’t seem to assign them any agency or responsibility. This is an incredibly racist POV that assumes Arabs and Muslims are inferior and somehow not capable of the same sensibilities as westerners.

Also kind of wild to just ignore the entire context of the Holocaust in the creation of Israel. And I guess you’re trying to make direct comparisons between 1940 and the end of WW2 to present day? Maybe just sit this one out big dawg.

The bottom line is Israel exists in the present and it’s not going anywhere soon. You can either advocate for people to have amicable relations with them or accept that they might be bombed to **** if they attack Israel. Time to get with the program.

my first reaction is "wtf?"

second reaction: "no, I know westerners are perfectly capable of lining up to have their faces eaten off, too"

third reaction: "are you saying it's racist not to vilify Palestinians as a nation?"

k, you're still not getting it, so I'll be more direct:

the diaspora predates nazi germany

So your point is Jews lived outsides of Israel before the Holocaust so Israel shouldn’t exist? I’m an idiot so explain it to me like I’m 5 years old.

And if you’re trying to equate Jews fleeing from the Holocaust to the Palestinians I’m just going to laugh.

Maybe you need to do some reading on the formation of Israel bud.

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