[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

I know from experience that prayer works. Of course, one has to have faith in order for prayers to be effective. Your mileage may vary.

I see you've engaged annoying twat mode. You should do less of that.

I don't care what it's called. I even made that point when I asked:

Call it Planar Positioning System if you want. Call it Susan if you want. How does the technology that allows your phone/car to pinpoint it own location on a map work?

Call it BPS (Billy's Positioning System) and maybe he'll answer your question.

I don't need to reconcile anything. I understand several things that you don't: context, literary genre, idioms, and metaphors, to give just four examples.

When Jesus said,'I am the vine', does that mean he was covered in leaves?

When Jesus continued with "and you are the branches", does that mean his listeners were made out of wood?

Fair enough, I wasn't arguing in that post that it wasn't. I'd assume you would have some idea as to what the edges of the earth consisted of - at least to a reasonable degree to which you'd continue believing the earth is flat as a result, assuming of course that you are arguing in good faith, which I am giving you the credit to be doing. That was my question. I wasn't looking for another post telling me to show you the curvature. I was asking you, your personal opinion on that particular matter.

Nothing else, it really isn't a big deal.

... because it’s like asking Deuces to clarify how the architect died in a car wreck 10 years after Building 7 collapsed is anyway tied or useful to 911, and his response is just, “You believe whatever the government tells you.” That doesn’t actually answer the question, and it certainly doesn’t help to make his argument more believable.

You want me to redefine an imaginary technology as a different imaginary technology with a different name and tell you how that works?

Hey I might just turn that into a sci-fi novel.

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What? Stop being hung up on the name. Let's walk through this step by step, like you are 5.

You have a mobile phone? I assume yes, since it seems that you can't figure out how to turn off your obnoxious auto signature when you post from it.

Does it have a map function? I assume yes. Let's say this is Google maps. You've already stated that you think Google maps is accurate.

Within Google maps, does it have a feature to show you where you are currently located? I assume yes.

So far, nothing is imaginary, correct?

So, how does this feature work?

You need to reconcile how you can pick and choose which words are literal and which are not. You are told not to change the words. You are told the words are pure.

"The sun stood still"

Is not allegorical.

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever"

Is not allegorical.

Jesus's sayings are encoded. He was an initiate. But it doesnt matter what i think, i can pick and choose.

The bible also states earth is flat. But if you will not accept the statements it is stationary then you will not accept the more vague statements of its flatness.

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It does not bother me in the slightest. It is no more absurd than having an infinite space beginning with an infinitely dispersed big bang. The solar system itself is an impossibility if gravity is the sovereign power at the macro scale. Yet "Science" clings to it for dear life.

Science cannot help us with the infinite, beyond a point. We have to look to philosophy, religion etc.

What d2 wants is just more and more speculation so he can jump on it and say ha ha like Nelson Muntz. He gets off on it. You seem genuinely interested in all that. I would certainly recommend richard d hall. But he is a serious investigator, not a fake like Alex Jones or someone. Youtube is chock full of nonsensical click baity BS, try there!

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The infrastructure for internet services is sub-terrestrial and terrestrial. With a few balloons no doubt. But internet traffic is largely under the sea. Sing along.

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Great, thanks for that. I didn't ask this. I didn't even use the word "internet" in the question. I also didn't ask what you had for breakfast this morning, in case that was going to be your next answer.

Let's try again - what is the technology and physical principles involved in the device you are currently holding being able to pinpoint its own location on a map?

Try for an answer that is not a non sequitur this time perhaps?

Oh, and Billy, you are not fooling anybody by pretending to not understand the question. Trust me, there is no need for you to pretend to be stupid.

Satellites are conceptualised to explain how it is possible to transmit and receive signals through earth bulge. In reality signals are sent and received directly over the earth, which is flat. It is quite simple. Because there is no earth curve there is no requirement for satellites beyond cartoons. Which is what they are. Total fantasy.

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I barely read your question first time. I have developed a d2 filter to ignore your 90% ad hom posts.

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I agree that God's words are pure and we are not to change His words. The Scriptures always have a literal meaning, but that doesn't mean that every word is to be understood literally. For example, if I said "I was up with the chickens this morning.", no reasonable person would infer that I was literally sleeping in the henhouse.

Here is a useful guideline, from the The Preface to The Dake Annotated Reference Bible:

The general principle adhered to throughout is that of literalizing instead of spiritualizing. Statements of fact and historical accounts are accepted as such. THE RULE OBSERVED IS: Take the Bible literally wherein it is at all possible; if symbolic, figurative, or typical language is used, then look for the literal truth it intends to convey. (Emphasis in the original)

I agree. The only question is whether or not Joshua is describing the event from his own perspective or from an understanding of astronomy.

This is a case that either interpretation is consistent with God performing a miracle.

Fine and dandy like cotton candy if one wants to take that as a proof text for the Earth being stationary. That isn't the main point of Joshua's account.

That would seem reasonable, except as I stated before 'not be moved' (and its variants) is an idiom used convey steadfastness or unchanging.

Surely he [the good man] shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance. -Psalm 112:6

I don't think a reasonable person would infer from this verse that the good man is going to be stationary for ever. Do you?

So, in your opinion it would be reasonable to assert that Jesus was covered in leaves and that his followers were made out of wood? If so, all I can say is: Whatever, dude.

Geocentrists also believe that the Earth is stationary, but they do not believe that the Earth is flat.

You still haven't answered the question. Let me remind you what it is:

What is the technology and physical principles involved in the device you are currently holding being able to pinpoint its own location on a map?

Note the question is not "why are satellites required for [anything]?". It is "what is the technology and physical principles involved in [something]?" So the answer can't be "satellites [anything]", unless of course the answer is "satellites".

Let me know if you need any more helpful language and grammar tips.

Weird how this time you read it and you still answered with a complete non sequitur, then.

Let's try this step by step like you are 5, billy.

Do you understand the principle of trilateration, that is, that is you can ascertain your position on a map using distances to 3 reference points (in practice, you usually need a 4th point, but that's not important for the purposes of this discussion).

Do you agree that this is how the geolocation feature works on your phone and your car?

If the answer to both of the above questions is "yes", what are these reference points, and how does your device communicate with them?

I'll give you a clue: it works without internet access, it worked before the internet was even invented, and it still works when you have no signal because you are out of range of the nearest mobile tower.

Stationary Earth is beyond doubt. So yes geocentrism is more reasonable than heliocentrism.

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We need satellites to transmit and receive radio signals. Imagine saying that.

I think the ball tards get around it by claiming something about radio signals bouncing off clouds to get around the ball. Now satellites do the job.

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It worked before satellites were first "sent up there" also. About 60 or 70 years prior.

We covered triangulation. It is how maps are made. It works because Earth is flat.

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Ok, guess you're just not going to answer the question then. I guess you have no idea how your device geolocates but you know it's not satellites. To remind you for the 100th time what the question was: what are the reference points used in this triangulation/trilateration and how does your device communicate with them?

This is why trying to have a discussion with you is pointless and more generally why you are an annoying twat.

What? I didn't say that. You did in fact imagine it. You are the one talking about satellites. I just asked you how something works.

Parsing plain English is not your strong point, is it, champ?

You will never meet an intellectually honest 911 truther, flat-earther, moon landing/space denier, or antivaxer. They don't exist. If you do find one, they don't stay one for long enough to matter.