USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Are you saying it's false that there are plenty of people who were opposed to the war but would like to see it end with Iran giving up on their uranium enrichment program? Or do you agree with that?
No. There are plenty of MAGA cultists who believe Trump's propaganda. I just didn't think so called non-MAGAs would believe the bullshit, but you guys are military bootlickers and so the difference is blurred during times of war.
I'm sure if he nukes Iran, you'll say, "Well... they're a dangerous regime and it's better we nuke them off the planet than have 100K US soldiers die. I don't like it at all, but it needed to be done."
Now he's talking about invading Cuba, so I look forward to you and Doyle regurgitating Trump's nonsense for why we should be in Cuba.
No. There are plenty of MAGA cultists who believe Trump's propaganda. I just didn't think so called non-MAGAs would believe the bullshit, but you guys are military bootlickers and so the difference is blurred during times of war. I'm sure if he nukes Iran, you'll say, "Well... they're a dangerous regime and it's better we nuke them off the planet than have 100K US soldiers die.
You’d prefer to see 100k US soldiers die rather than nuking Iran?
Are you saying it's false that there are plenty of people who were opposed to the war but would like to see it end with Iran giving up on their uranium enrichment program? Or do you agree with that?
What is tremendous about you and idiots like you toeing this line is your willingness to blindly ignore there was a nuclear deal in place to do exactly this that your godking tore up cuz he didn’t make it then bombed iran cuz he wanted to make it
You *******s act like progress was never made til trump decided to abandon anything that didn’t make him look good
You and DBF are unserious people who just want a country of brown ppl bombed
What is tremendous about you and idiots like you toeing this line is your willingness to blindly ignore there was a nuclear deal in place to do exactly this that your godking tore up cuz he didn’t make it then bombed iran cuz he wanted to make itYou *******s act like progress was never made til trump decided to abandon anything that didn’t make him look goodYou and DBF are unse
Hold on fella! Why don’t we wait to see if the President makes a better deal. Also, we have significantly degraded the Iranian military and leadership. Also, we have put the pinch on China. Also, we’ve helped our great ally Israel out.
You clearly don’t have an understanding of geopolitics.
Why couldn't God accept Jews, christians and Muslims? Hey guys, you didn't quite get it right but got in the ballpark and did the best you could with what you know. Same could go for any religion. You guys did the best with what you had to work with and followed your beliefs as best you could, welcome in. Seems completely illogical to me for people to be punished based off wher
THE ERROR OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HEAVEN*
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
(Proverbs 12:15)
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
(Proverbs 14:12)
There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
(Proverbs 30:12)
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
(Matthew 7:13,14)
*From Treasure Path to Soul Winning, Prepared by J. O. Grooms, B.D.,Evangelist
This should be sufficient to show that the Bible, including Jesus himself, doesn't promote the 'Many paths lead to heaven" idea.
"the President" - I remember during W when people were talking about the patriotic duty of heeding the office, then Obama was elected
Also, we have put the pinch on China. ... You clearly don’t have an understanding of geopolitics.
nuking Iran tells the world that it's time to start using nukes
it will absolutely not save lives on the whole
THE ERROR OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HEAVEN*The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.(Proverbs 12:15)There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.(Proverbs 14:12)
Bro, who cares what your belief says? There is no proof any of the stuff you posted is fact. It's no more authoritative than the Aztecs belief system and their guess on what happens after death.
THE ERROR OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HEAVEN*The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.(Proverbs 12:15)There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.(Proverbs 14:12)
I will say I think that Jesus may have had the belief that good people of all groups may be saved, because how else can you explain Matthew 25:31-46?
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
What else does he mean by righteous and cursed but those who acted well to the poor/sick/disabled and those who did not?
That’s not to say that this is what the Biblical Jesus’s message is, but I do think this comes from a pre-existing parable that seems to trace back to his historical ministry.
Bro, who cares what your belief says? There is no proof any of the stuff you posted is fact. It's no more authoritative than the Aztecs belief system and their guess on what happens after death.
Dude, do actually have proof for this claim that there's no proof from what they posted or am I supposed to just take your word as proof?
What is tremendous about you and idiots like you toeing this line is your willingness to blindly ignore there was a nuclear deal in place to do exactly this that your godking tore up cuz he didn’t make it then bombed iran cuz he wanted to make itYou *******s act like progress was never made til trump decided to abandon anything that didn’t make him look goodYou and
The nuclear deal had issues, and many critics rightfully pointed those out. I don't think the lesson from the last weeks debacle should be to ignore those.
However, it also undoubtedly correct that the current status quo poses far bigger issues, the most pressing ones being regional instability and a more extremist Iranian regime. That could change, but the nature of that change is currently impossible to predict beyond making a guess and shouting "I told you so!" in three months. For the US hawks, the tactical and political limitations of US power projection is also on clear display and these will likely grow worse. Increased defense budgets will not make up for the price of stable nations being less likely to support US military operations.
As for the doves, they can be as vocal as they want, but it is clear that they have pretty much no influence on US foreign affairs.
The North Korean debacle were the Trump I administration held a summit, declared the nuclear issue resolved and then completely ignored North Korea accelerating their weapons development because it would make Trump look bad to bring it up is also a good case study. Not exactly the kind of people you want in charge to reduce nuclear proliferation.
nuking Iran tells the world that it's time to start using nukes
it will absolutely not save lives on the whole
Very much so. It will completely demolish what precious little we have left of nuclear disarmament initiatives. It will be touted politically to argue in favor of nuclear weapons programmes. Then you get a cascade effect were nations respond to those developments with nuclear programs of their own. Give that mix a ten year stir and changes in geopolitical reality, and you might very well end up with the worst outcome of all: Complete loss of control over nuclear proliferation. The geopolitical arms race equivalent to a pandemic.
I wouldn't know. I haven't seen any surveys on how many folks care about what I believe, and I certainly ain't no mind reader. So, your guess is as good as mine.
There is no proof any of the stuff you posted is fact.
There certainly isn't 'proof' in the strong sense (like a proof in math, or geometry or formal logic). But hundreds (thousands?) of books have been written giving good reasons to believe that the Bible is of supernatural origin. Many of these reasons have been discussed in RGT if you are interested in discussing some of those reasons in that forum.
It's no more authoritative than the Aztecs belief system and their guess on what happens after death.
Unless one can present an Aztec document that there is good reason to believe is of supernatural origin, then I would say that the Aztec belief system would be an a priori fail when compared to the Holy Bible.
Is mongidig back to wanting to nuke Iran?
Seems so. Saving USA#1 lives is way more important. So nuke the world.
t_d's post not-hitting the mark at all, mong?
