Is there evidence that Robbi cheated Garrett?

Barts an interesting one. At first he leans no cheat but then comes out with a video a couple weeks after the hand after all the crazy coincidences and says " I lean heavily towards cheating": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHD8AXtx.... But then in his video he put out a few weeks ago he seems to have backed off that stance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf8a1ItR... . Quite the flip flopper.

Maybe I missed something, but I think all we have from Ivey is his interview right after the hand where he thought she misread her hand, which is what I thought too in the moment. I'd be interested to hear his take after all the shenanigans came to light but I doubt he followed everything.

Negs always leaned no cheat but he sure as **** isn't the 140 IQ guy of the bunch.

Fair points

Maybe because he was charged with stealing 15k, not 135k. If he outed Robbi & Rip, or everyone involved, he's confessing to an altogether different crime, and a much larger one. The reason not to is pretty obvious, much more jail, and he brings down other people who had nothing to do with his idiotic decision to take 15k from a stack with dozens of cameras on it.

Bryan disappearing wasn't weird- he was evading his arrest warrant. Bryan's weirdness was:

- immediately & publicly defending Robbie, despite never being vocal about other HCL controversies
- choosing to "steal" only that 1 time, and only from Robbie, only later claiming it's random coincidence that he picked THAT night & THAT player.

There's also the weirdness of:

- Robbie & Rip paid this Beans person to get invited to the game
- Robbie & Rip were flaunting their affair by going to this & other broadcast events together
- Robbie never complained to anyone about the $15,000 that was "stolen" before HCL announced it
- Robbie's 180 from irrationally protecting Bryan from charges, to insisting he be charged, was handwaved away with the vague excuse "new information"
- Robbie had to shop around all the way from LA to the armpit of Las Vegas before finding a polygraph service that would give her a "pass" rating on her story

It's apparent that -something- crooked was going on here, and it's apparent that the people involved are not very good at thinking through how their actions would look.

If this particular hand was NOT cheated, then Robbie's stammering excuses, and constantly evolving stories means she's trying to cover up something ELSE the group is guilty of.

Anyone who says Bryan's refusal to admit to even MORE crimes , somehow is "evidence" of Robbie's innocence is simply being dishonest.

Bryan is wisely keeping his mouth shut because there's only downside + no upside every time he yaps.

Phase 1. She doesn't press charges.

I know for a fact that anybody in this position would 100% press charges. Absolutely nobody would either feel bad for the guy or not want to work with the cops/CJ system.

Therefore we know for sure that Robbi is not pressing charges because obviously Bryan would flip on her and cut a deal. The cops would gladly give him a reduced sentance for turning in the bigger fish. Obvious proof of guilt.

Phase 2 Robbi presses charges, which should now be compelling evidence of her innocence.

NO!!! OBVIOUSLY, robbi and Nick hired a team of assassins to track him down and kill him, or possibly paid him enough to retire to Mexico.

Phase 3. Bryan is caught and convicted. No deal is made. Nor does he say, sell the story with all the details. He just goes to jail.

Why would he flip on them and cut a deal or accept a payoff? OBVIOUSLY, that would get him even more time! The police aren't going to give him a reduced sentence for turning in the bigger fish.

Giving the money back is the biggest tell that something isn't right. 99.99% of players would NEVER give back money won in a legit pot. If someone was to ask me to give back money I won honestly, the answer would be FYYFF.

99.999% of criminals who just landed a 6 figure score after months of planning would never give their heist back. A very large % of poker newb influencers who were just on the show to get famous and weren't even playing with their own money could be pressured in a back room to give the money back "for the sake of the show", "will be rectified later", etc. .

It’s funny because that’s not what anyone said when she initially said she wasn’t going to press charges. That was used as evidence that he had dirt on her and that she was afraid of him flipping. So I guess now that prediction didn’t go through, pressing charges is seen as being compatible with the cheating theory?

You don’t find it interesting that the cops themselves didn’t think there was enough evidence to flip him on the 100k theft? Because your theory goes both ways. Why did the cops ignore the 100k theft to go after the 15k theft? The theory of the case was obviously that it was theft, not a 15k payment for helping cheating.

Garrett and Ryan pulled her to the side and intimidated her into giving back the money. She was obviously already flustered and under pressure, and Garrett is already know for being intimidating and putting the screws in people at the table.

It’s easy to forget because Garrett completely tanked his reputation far beyond what the 100k was worth, but he was considered the biggest name in streaming poker on the biggest show. She was battling him probably because she admired his game and wanted to beat him in a pot. She says her adrenaline was already pumping during the hand, and what happened afterwards, which was totally inappropriate from both Ryan and Garrett, certainly didn’t help.

Does it raise the probability of her having cheated? I mean I don’t know why it would since cheaters are not known for giving back their winnings. If she was cheating, why wouldn’t she have left instead of giving the money back?

The only certainty here is that Robbi is terrible at poker.

Obviously, we didn’t see what happened off camera but from what I recall she comes back and says she offered him the money back, only later did she claim she was intimidated to do it. She did not appear to be intimidated by Garrets on screen post hand conduct.

The 15k was theft under both of your cops obvious theories of the case.

Bingo.

With your foul mouth, limited vocabulary, hyper emotional capitalizations, dramatization with extreme language and predilection towards confrontation do you have a neck tat? Feel like I've seen those types at a 1/2 table.

FWIW, I once had a guy give me back half of a 300bb pot because he felt bad (his AA vs my KK all in pre). It happens.

Also, if you're not weekly seeing fish make similar calls as Robbi did and claim afterward that they misread their hand then you're in the wrong live NLHE game IMO. She has the skill of the drunk who has never played poker and wanders into the 1/2 game. If Garrett was thinking straight he would have eaten the loss and hoped she would stay to play a long session.

My theory all along is she spied his hole cards during the deal. The ways she sits in her seat is the classic "I'm trying to get an angle to see the cards" position.

I'm like 51% she spied his hole cards, 39% she's just a fish who made a fish call, 9% something nefarious, 1% she misread her cards.

It's funny because we know for sure this happens. There is video of it happening at high stakes.

There is video of Rui calling down Dwan's check raise flop, bet turn line with 8 high no draw because he thought dwan had 72 in a 650k euro pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s1AlEiK...

I don't think anyone has produced an example of a cheater giving the money back simply because someone demanded it. Yet we keep getting these claims that the things that are documented as happening never happen, and the things that are not documented as happening are the only possible occurrence.

All of this is based on the notion that these posters were just gifted with an incredibly acute understanding of human nature, even if it defies all research and expertise (like the fact that people knowingly make false confessions to felonies to escape social pressure).

But which of these is more psychologically realistic?

I bet on the super bowl with you planning to collect if I win and stiff you if I lose by making up some BS story. I lose and refuse to pay. You accuse me of being a stiff and threaten to tell people and I pay.

I bet on the SB intending to be fair. You seem totally convinced I cheated you, even though I don't think I did. But maybe something weird happened, like we agreed to an off market number in my favor and I don't really bet much and I'm not even sure what that means. You threaten to tell everyone I'm a cheat. I say, look man, I wasn't trying to cheat you or anything. If you're that upset you can just have your bet back.

I tend to agree with this.

This would also make it more likely that she would not get into a big game like this unless she had some type of edge or cheating method.

Also, it is even more unlikely that Rip would stake a terrible player. He does not seem like the crazy gambler type. So he would not want to risk $100k plus on a relatively new player unless there was something else going on that would give him a close to sure chance of winning.

lmao the entire premise of high stakes poker is people who have absolutely no business playing high stakes playing it.

i feel like one huge missing piece of information in all of this that is obviously confidential is Robbi's medication history. someone who gets all that plastic surgery altering her face def is prob on some sort of mind altering pharmaceutical.

3 of the players in the game were phil ivey, Garrett adelstein, and andy stacks.
All 10 year pros
Not sure how to classify person.
Not sure who the other two were

ChatGPT guessed that 45% of thirty-something LA Instagrammer women with plastic surgery take drugs.

Eric is a great example of someone who makes high stakes poker possible. The amount of money he has dumped into the game has probably been a godsend to a few pros.

Honestly if you are thinking that only people who should be playing would play, how do you explain all these poker livestreams with ridiculously horrible plays/players?

I agree there are many bad players on these streams.
I am not familiar with most of the bad players or their situations.
However, i am assuming that pretty much none of these bad players are staked.
If this is not accurate, possibly list some staked backed players that are horrible and the reasoning of their backers to stake them.
To me , it is not logical.
I totally understand robbie wanting to get famous by playing on hustler.
I just don’t understand the motivation of her backer, especially if she is as bad as people say. It is easier to understand if she had some edge or cheating method.

Try your damndest to avoid underestimating stupidity. After all, we are both wasting productive hours on this board.