5/10 76s

Who certifies poker coaches? Is a certified PLO5 coach and expert in NLHE? Are most practicing attorneys who play 5/10 beating the game?

Preflop, I would prefer to just call for 1/2xBB. Not sure the point of making it so large. Better to raise light in position.

You have to cbet this flop. Gutshot on turn with a pair not helping you means you are less than 10% against top pair. Probably better to give up against fish. Fish is probably not going to understand your range advantage, that you are representing AA/AK/KK/KQ, and that he has to fold top pair, etc.

When you make it 9xBB at 2 limpers with 7-high, you commit yourself to often running a big bluff. You have fish who want to call down. You make your money playing quality hands. They call down against your over pair or TPTK/TPGK or set. Making multistreet bluffs stacking off with 7-high just lets them stack you by doing what they want to do, and what you can normally exploit, calling down with top pair or whatever.

You could maybe play 76s this way latish is a tournament, when people are playing tight and scares. Would be better to 3! a reg with 76s.

It is in Doyle's book from 50 years ago, don't bluff a fish. Don't make a play against a fish. He won't understand what you are representing.

People keep saying he has to fold everything but AA or better. He probably had to fold to the 9xBB raise after limping whatever. Why do you think he will fold when he "has to fold"?

"I don't play this high."

With that out of the way, the first sentence resembled my thoughts on it. Seeing as V, b60/b60/b70-shove on KQ488r after H betting 90 into 45 pf, I'd be expecting KQ at the minimum from this line. It's being bet like I'm being led down the path to play for stacks.

Accordingly, I'd think the turn bet works very well on someone who understands bet sizing, and understands the river's probably going to be a shove. Whether that's this V, even at 5/10, is another question. Further, if they call turn---indicating like deuce's second sentence, that they either don't understand what H is saying, or they don't care because they have a big hand too---I doubt they fold this river.

I hope it worked. See above, but I'm folding most of my ep l/c range (which tbf, is fairly insignificant) that's light value, to either flop or turn to this line from H.

I really disagree with this sentiment in general. IME, fish are perfectly capable of knowing that the PFR has AK, and when the PFR goes bet-bet-jam on a K-high board, the PFR always has AK.

The nuance lies in that almost all fish will continue preflop catastrophically wide, and will then overfold one or more postflop streets, usually in an incredibly unbalanced way but some people overfold flop and some people have heard of this "c-bet" thing and overfold turn instead. Some won't fold until the river has confirmed the ultimate and final death of their draw. A lot of edge lies on abandoning the bluff after the street where the fish folds way too much. In this case though, V probably has 16 combos of JT OTR that we desperately need to fold.

This is the bottom line why I hate the sizings as played - if V has a hand like K7s then overbet turn, overbet river puts a whole lot more fear into V than a vague b50 size which induces a reaction like "yeah, I know you have AK, but I have to call because pot odds". Quite possibly true that we just did not start the hand deep enough to have a credible line to get V to fold top pair even with better sizing, but in the more general strategic sense I think it's perfectly sound to have this line in your arsenal.

Idk, if your fish are almost always getting it in with QJo here, more power to you - but almost no one in my (lower than 5/10 stakes) pool is that blindly sticky.

I think the big problem is that when the final board is KQ4 8 8 almost every player knows that K7 is now as good as KJ ... so they aren't "folding a chop".

I kind of agree. Like they have to overfold combos. on most streets, because they make it to those streets with way too many combos. that are now 100% garbage but that doesn't mean they are folding (garbage) top pair.

To put your thing another way: There's some nuance in realizing when they've reached the point that they aren't folding anywhere near enough anymore, and I'd argue that we hit that on the turn call.

If we are targeting JT we shouldn't need to bet $700 into $1k on the river.

Lots of this depends on frequencies too, and if the fish have assumptions about them. Like if OP does this 1% of the time with 76s, it's maybe fine. If OP is doing this 10%, it's probably bad, but if OP is doing this 50% of the time it's punt city.

Yeah, to be clear I'm not endorsing the specific tactics and sizing here. I'm mostly objecting to the idea that "bluffing fish is a bad idea" or that the line is bad just because we should never run a triple-barrel bluff, period.

Sounds like your dream journey of fishy plo games at National Harbor has come to an end and you are back seeking validation as usual as a gambling addict which ruins any mental health growth you’ll ever find. Take it from all of us wasting our time here. There are pretty much zero interesting spots 100bb deep to discuss in a forum. Yes you can triple barrel bluff and it overworks live. Yes you are a gambling addict if you are actually thinking about your 1/12.5 “nut” equity on the turn with a 1 spr.

I was not saying don't ever 3-barrel bluff a fish. It is just when you make it 9xBB OOP with 7-high, you sort of commit yourself to often running big bluffs. Not sure OP has enough skill advantage to profitably play a probably inferior hand OOP in a HU pot.

Also, as mentioned, the KQ flop is fairly wet and not the best to barrel at with close to air.

In another thread, OP indicates he is a practicing attorney with mental health issues. I wouldn't assume he is a gambling addict. However, not sure he is a winning player.

He's won absolute piles playing juicy 5 card PLO and described playing some huge games with his winnings. He won something like 300k a year. Hence his "coaching."

He quit or took a sabbatical from a good firm, then got hired again at a smaller firm, something like that, and used to write out every single result from every single hand day after day in his thread. He's a gambling addict like all of us here on a poker forum not really talking about much actual strategy.

I would of course click out of jealousy and just read his results-oriented trivial hand postings over and over because I wanted to play those NH 5 card games so bad and they were exciting to read.

He knows how to play and the reasons why, maybe can't perfectly articulate them, but because of mental health issues is socially isolated and very unaware/depressed and writes basically life blog posts for attention. There are details about his mental health journey those of us who have read his thread, have tried to honestly help him understand, from a positive place.

But yes as you say he should know the flop is going to get passive calls from AT, AJ, TJ, or paired hands that make it "wet" like you say that passive live players will just call with and that his line will be highly profitable versus them, as they will overfold later streets for a ridiculous price, and they may hero-call a less than "all-in" river bet with even A-high because that's how live players routinely act scared of all-ins because it's usually people's case gambling money and they have it.

I think this hand might be interesting 200bb+ deep and if it started to discuss possible overbets and ways to get in 200bb+ both for value and potentially as a bluff on a board like this with no actual equity but perceived nut equity and how often a solver would mix such lines versus a single open, because 76ss could defend against some 4bs very deep and has significant equity on many flops versus opponent's live calling range. Something like that.

this feels like FPS
I get the thought process which is this is our best bluff candidate because we have 0 showdown value and unblock all the draws villain could have
problem is board basically went brick brick from a rec's perspective and on brick brick they're just calling all Kx here
thinking we can rep AA and fold out KQ is crazy

Any reveal coming on this one?

I used to play suited connectors like this from SB, then I realized it's much more +EV to just call the straddle on most tables (or 3b if there was a raise).

On the flop, OOP I usually check as preflop raiser, but since it's against a limper, and we have range and nuts advantage, I don't have a problem with betting, but with maximum 50%, probably lower, even down to 33%.

"I picked up equity on the turn" is usually a trap, especially since the 8 hits your opponents range more than yours. Same goes for river.

He got called by AQ and can't understand why.

I haven't see OP post a reveal in this thread, unless I've just overlooked it. Are you guessing, or did he post a reveal somewhere else, in another thread about this hand?

If V really did call with AQ, I don't know what there is to learn, other than maybe don't bluff unknown rec-fish.

I'm led to wonder if V may have observed some maniacal play from OP, which would lead him to make a light call. But of course, that wasn't in the OP, which actually suggested the opposite.

Was total speculation.

it's absolutely fine to overlimp pre in this spot. Yes, you're out of position, but you just have to navigate sensibly post flop. Obviously this is something you proved unable to do, so maybe you should have folded.

As played, this entire hand is total spew - so many thinking players overplay spots like this because of abused, ego driven principles like "i never limp or call pre' and become losing players instead of winning ones.

Yeah, just calling the limp out of the SB is generally better. As Wrath implied, there are times when flat calling a raise or limping behind is the best play. Because fish are passive and don't raise enough doesn't mean you should always raise or 3! to show you are a good player.
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