Faster than Ever: Loco runs a sub5 Mile

Well, what were your levels before going on clomid? Also, once you stop taking something, isn't it possible for your body to not be able to produce at the levels before going on (i.e. it becomes dependent?).

I'm on some low (I assume) dose of TRT and while I feel it's made a difference in my energy and libido, I was crushing the rower at orange theory fitness before somehow. I still suspect I'm not actually good at the rower, but I have a very hard time finding faster 200m times at the OTF studios around here.

The urologist said it was a triple whammy. Pituary gland most likely shut down. Pushing 50 years old + high mileage.

What was weird is that I still had Tlevels at 500 ng/dl.

Fsh? Rock bottom
Lh? Rock bottom
FreeT? Rock bottom

Sperm 90% dead. I felt so bad because my wife is trying to have a child.

I would have picked off this nightmare in two weeks if it wasn't for facking hot arse Houston. I thought I lost a minute per mile in easy pace because it was hot and I was not wearing supershoes.

JFC. It finally came to me when it cooled down to 45F and I ran a 16 miler where i was extremely cold and felt like I got hit by a train (avg pace 9:30).

Last week I ran 20 miles at 8:30 pace at altitude and felt like a champ. I thought about lifting some weights that same night, and I ran the next day like nothing.

WTF.

I went back into this log and about 4 years ago I got on clomid. I had forgotten that I posted the bloodwork. I was raging at 1000 ng/dl. Shiet no wonder I tanked. This drug is powerful but you dont hear much about. Why would the anti aging clinics prescribe something that increases vo2max 20% and gets you 20 year old T levels? Well because its $25 a month, they make money off your consultation and nothing else. Sickening. Facking Bryan Johnson you prick. Yeah man your vo2max is 58, semen motility off the charts, and your physique is like mine but you are not on clomid. You facking prick.

This only happened because my wife couldn't travel outside the usa. And I thought well might as well cycle off clomid and see if my semen quality is decent without it. But it didn't register how much it would affect me. I have the bloodwork, its crazy difference. I guess I could post it once I get the new numbers next month.

But in another news, my wife is a US resident now. It took 5 months. When you do stuff the legal way, even this administration is reasonable. Long live Donald Trump, please get that Dow Jones to 100, 000 buddy. I exited almost all my cash and now heavy meta/amzn. Let's go Donald!

very confused, i could be mistaken obv but i thought you were always anti ped

I'm also on low dose of trt - 0.3ml every three days. I was on it for 3 months last year then stopped due to water retention but back on now. I wasn't on it when I was rowing competitively, but I've noticed that my resting heart rate is 3ish bpm higher than 2 weeks ago when I re-started. I also feel an uptick in energy and libido, albeit I still take a blue pill when the GF gets frisky for top class performance reasons. I'm not convinced I'll take it forever but am gonna evaluate after 3 months.

Reason for posting though is that i was taking HGH when I first started rowing. It helped me reach close to lifetime PRs in upper body strength but it was very definitely counterproductive when rowing. When I stopped, my RHR dropped about 6bpm and I went from a good rower to a very good one.

this runs counter to loco's situation, but my working theory before reading loco's post was that perhaps test supplementation is -ev for cardio performance?

he's way too well read, informed and analytical to be fully anti ped for life. natty, sure...but supplementation etc is essential as you age IMO

I announced here when I went on clomid. It was for fertility purposes and get a little T back.

I also posted my results on 25mg clomid a day and it looked like I was on TRT (1000 ng/dl).

Feel wrath -

Yeah i really dont understand it. But I turned into melkerson running when I went off clomid.

When I went back on, by the third day I started to feel the difference. By end of the first week I was back to superman.

There is some research that shows a runner on high mileage who gets on clomid and his T goes from 200 to 600. Unfortunately the donk researchers didn't test his improvement in vo2max.

There is some research that shows men past 40 get a good chunk of their vo2max back when put on TRT. That vibes exactly with my results. Back on the clomid I could feel the engine roaring again. Running 8 minute miles was not blowing up my heart rate any more.

So dont know how to explain it because I know very little about this subject matter. It could be hemoglobin. It could be the heart is a muscle. Don't know. But the difference is batshiet crazy. I went back on clomid 3/23

Here is HRV sky rocketing by day 5

Here is resting heart dive bombing like I am Lance Armstrong.

Here is breathing rate slowing down like I am turning into kipchoge

And the running data is just as outrageous. Running close to 10 minute easy miles for a long run and feeling like i got hit by a train. To three weeks later running a 20 miler at 8:30 pace and feeling like i could run another 20, zero soreness the next day.

I seriously thought I had cancer or AIDS and was wasting away. No, I went off the clomid. It's a total cheat code for a man in his 40s, who can now race his 21 year old self.

I mean fack, look at RFK. Looks like he could dress up as the ultimate warrior and wrestle on TV and he is over 70.

Anyways I am sad that it is this powerful. But it makes sense, I been lifting less and less and I still look great even though I am pushing 50. And it helps me have impregnating semen. It's a win win except I can no longer give advice to my friends. I can help with deciphering heart rate data, that is all.

Oh well but look at the bright side. I am running the london marathon this weekend and my brother has been in the graveyard for 7 years now. Be lean, take your meds, get on clomid when you start pushing 50. It's the diary of a MAN crushing into his 70s.

RFK is in great shape - wow. bet he's rooting his way around the staffers half his age

loco, you're making me want to get on the clomid

Without doing any research and just waving my hands, I feel like there is no way this can be true.

I just do donk rowing at OTF. My last 200m at my studio was 26.16. I only found 1 faster rowing time (something like 26.08) across the 4 closest studios and the one in Oakland I've gone to a handful of times when I visit my mom.

Anyway, that is probably not really the rowing you're talking about but some kind of strength thing. Although guys stronger than me are slower so I dno, you need something other than strength. Maybe heart? Maybe I have loco heart? I certainly am not that strong or that fast or have elite conditioning (yet).

Guessing not a concept 2 rower because that time would be close to a world record.

Tbh a 200m row is more anaerobic than aerobic. And it would definitely be strength related (as well as height/length and weight) - eg I think Brian Shaw has the 100m world record.

re your TRT, have you noticed any weight gain? Both times I've taken it, I've got 2.5kg ish heavier within a few weeks, almost certainly 100% water retention. I feel bloated and heavy, particularly around my stomach. The first time I took it, the water left when I stopped taking it but it's happened again. My manorexia has kicked in & I'm not enjoying it.

have you had similar symptoms?

Hmm, no? I did have to increase the dose a bit once or twice. The first 2 months or so my test levels were significantly lower than before I started lol.

I also started with the cream, which takes a ton of time and is annoying. I do injections now once a week and it's much better.

I started fatter than you, though. I am back down close to my relative "low" from mid-November at least. January through the first half of March were a bit of a dumpster fire diet-wise.

No, OTF has water-based rowers. My time is clearly elite for OTF members but I imagine sub 25 is possible. A basic search says maybe 2-5 seconds faster for a OTF 200m row vs Concept 2? I've never done any other kind of rower so I have no actual idea.

Fwiw my 500m is 1:16:84 (Nov) and 1000m is 3:01:58 (Oct). They stopped doing a 2000m. My best time there was 6:54:25 way back in June last year.

Too bad I can't compare with anyone but the randos at OTF studios. Oh well.

Just wasted my time looking at all OTF studios in the Twin Cities here in MN (15 studios). I have the second fastest time (.14 slower than fastest) so it's gotta be fast, I just don't really know why it's fast or relative to what other than a handful of OTF places. Looks like I really need to get sub 26 seconds to really feel like the king though.

try to get yourself onto a C2 at some point - the community has all kinds of comparison tools. it definitely reads as if you would be dropping off in relative performance (as well as absolute) as the events get longer. Paul's Law suggests approximately 5 secs/500m for double the distances. Albeit I think it is a better fit for 1k and up.

My c2 best times are/were

500m 1.25.9
1000 3.07 (1.33.5/500)
2000 6.38 (1.39/500)
5000 18.02 (1.48.2/500)

I think my 1k and 2k were relatively as good as each other, my 500m a little worse as I didn't have the absolute strength and power and then my 5k was a little worse also as I didn't ever quite train my engine for longer efforts.

2k by far the least hardest distance - pure pain both physically and pyschologically.

Least hardest? OTF dropped the 2k. It was awful.

Sorry I switched least pleasant to hardest. Yes, it’s miserable.

Congrats on another marathon major!

I’m waiting for the write up

It was probably my hardest marathon ever. The wheels were falling off, limped in at 3:33.

The wheel of time takes us all.

But London was quite dandy. A bad day in London is still better than a good day anywhere else.

Had a few proper lovely steak and ale pies with a pint of ale and a toffee pudding for dessert.

Not much to say, it was a bit embarrassing. A 4 minute positive split, which means it was painful.

I went off at 7:55 mile pace. Everything was going great, i threw heart rate out the window and I paid for it. By mile 16 I started cramping in my right hamstring. And then my left. At mile 21 I saw the sub3:30 guy about 30 yards in front of me. I had no kick. I saw my friends and wife. Feet hurt like hell. Came in to Buckingham palace and turned at the angel and was recording on Facebook live instead of my usual strong finish, balls out, finger wagging, overtaking. Mostly limped to the finish and limped back to find my friends.

Using heart rate was confusing do the clomid debacle. I have a higher heart rate available while on and it was just confusing.

Also the slower runners had later starts and pretty sure we were blasted with a nice dose of solar radiation.

Overall disappointed with my performance. Not sure what now, I have tokyo left. My buddy says the sub3 train left and its just all downhill from now. I should sign up for Sydney and get my revenge in Tokyo, but what for? I am pushing 50, it should be game over.

I will say that I drink a lot less and I am much more motivated in work and life when I am sticking to a running schedule. So there is that. We will see, the wheel weaves as the wheel wills.

how do runners react when you wag your finger at them while overtaking? surprised that happens in marathons

Friendly sub-3 bet? I'm not going to be running another marathon until (hopefully!) next spring (not Carmel, obviously).