draws bricked out now what?

This all feels very marginal.

Preflop facing a raise by a passive player from EP should mostly be a fold. I'd do a lot of calling on the button. CO seems marginal.

Flop call is just about OK when you make a pair with some backdoors, but I'm not loving the large sizing.

Similar thoughts for the turn. Not sure if you could raise credibly; probably not. Note that he can't have QXdd.

River you can't represent an 8. You have showdown value against AK and similar. Opponent probably isn't the type of player to bet two streets with TT or whatever, and you're unlikely to get a Queen to fold, so this seems a fairly straightforward check back, but it feels like you've been reeled in to dribbling away far more money than you should have.

moxterite V checked turn. I was the one to bet the turn. V called.

Ah sorry yes

Turn bet is probably OK as played, you could probably also take the free card if you wanted?

Your turn bet probably folds out AK etc but he may get sticky with pocket pairs JJ- (depends on opening range). Maybe a smallish bet to clear those out? And I said you couldn't have an 8 but you could have 8Xss. Doubt you get a Queen to fold but if you go small enough to set your price but big enough to get some folds then you can probably bluff profitably. If you check back you only beat busted spades. Maybe bet 40 or so?

Preflop is a fold. If there were callers, maybe you could call multiway. I would maybe consider 3-betting, but you can't call with this hand. Flop may be a fold.

River, it looks like he has 99-JJ. I would check or bet close to pot. Betting 40 seems like throwing away money. You only get missed draws you usually beat to fold.

The reason I fold pre-flop here is “limped a lot” just opened UTG1 for 10 - he didn’t limp this time. I play the ‘situations’ and this doesn’t look like a good one.

When they have a limping range, their opening range is usually tight.

As played, villain capped himself with the turn check (mediocre) he’s got a little something, but will fold to pressure. If you apply enough pressure, most low limit players give up.

Bet 50 on the turn, slight overbet
When you bet pot, villain must fold 1/2 the time as a pure bluff - but you have outs
I wonder if he folds?

No more outs on the river
Too much uncertainty
Check it back

Pre is bad. Either 3b or fold and in this case just fold, flat not good in 1/3 raked environment especially when we're not 100bb eff.
Flop seems bad too vs this size.
Turn MAYBE fine if we checked river. Not bluffing this river with sdv.

I bet $130
V tanks. Shows disgust then folds in slow motion.

I didn’t think he could beat the Queen. Maybe he had jacks or tens. I needed to bet big enough to get those hands to fold. Some people said about half pot. 2/3 is my normal bet size. But I’m experimenting with bet sizes. A small bet would have made it too easy for V to call. So I made it hard for him. I really think I got a better hand to fold.

Grunch:

PRE - seems ok. Might consider raising, but probably wouldn't raise if we know V has a limping range.

FLOP - ehh... might just fold here. Floating versus this bet size seems marginal. Might be okay.

TURN - if you're going to bluff at this, you should over-bet. That half pot sizing doesn't accomplish anything. It looks bluffy as hell.

RIVER - we probably don't have much if any showdown value here, but I don't think V is all that strong, either. I think a $150-$175 bet takes it down more often than not.

Alternatively, you could just check back. You beat all his busted draws.

You should stop using that lazy, bad-reg, auto-piloting sizing post flop. Try implementing a self-imposed rule for each street.

Flop & Turn- 1/2 pot or less, or full pot or more, depending on how you're ranging V, and what you're trying to accomplish.

River - ask yourself what size you'd bet if you had value and wanted a call when you actually have a bluff and want folds, then do the opposite. Ditto when you have value - ask yourself what size you'd use if you were bluffing and wanted folds.

It helps to think about V's range and what hands you're targeting. Here, I agree he probably didn't like that Q. He may have 1P lower than that. But he could also just have AK that's giving up after you called flop and stabbed turn.

If we wanted to fold JJ-99, I think we'd need to bet at least 1.5x pot. If we didn't have a pair, and didn't think JJ would fold, we could bet 2/3 pot just to fold out AK. We'd never try to get AA/KK, 8x, or Qx to fold here. But he probably doesn't have those hands in range when he takes this line.

If we had 8x, or just KQ, we'd want to size down to get a crying call from JJ. We might bet 1/2 pot. We wouldn't want to size all the way down to 1/3 pot to get called by AK, because we'd be leaving too much money on the table.

You might have been ahead on the river. Villain could have had AK or a busted flush draw. He might have had 99-JJ, which is what you were trying to get to fold.

Two flush draws missed on the river and the board paired. When you overbet, it looks like either a boat or a busted flush draw. If you had a set, you shove have raised the flop or bet bigger on the turn. Why would you bet small on the turn with a set with two two-flushes on the board?

I don't see the point of betting 40 and not getting better to fold. However, the overbet polarizes you and doesn't make sense except as a bluff. Not sure if you should bluff, but no point going over pot, which costs you more and makes it less believable.

I also don't see why you bet small on the turn with a pair and flush draw.

All of this. And I think this is likely the most important thing to take away from this hand.

I think you can do anything on flop:

bluff raise a good board for the caller, with some equity.

call praying you hit something, or he has AK and gives up.

fold because your hand is still trash vs. his range, and he bet 3/4 pot.

As played I would also bet bigger on turn ... repping sets that only called flop. 50 might be enough, but I think you can go even higher.

First off, if you are going to do this hungry horse "I bet river big when they only have one pair" stuff ... 130 into 96 isn't enough, given stacks you probably want to shove.

This might make flop/turn better, if you planned to bluff big on lots of rivers.

I think your "read" on V's hand is sus though, what Qx hands look disgusted? Having top pair and thinking V has a set due to one slightly big bet is unlikely, also very few V's will check KQ on the turn. Dito. any thoughts from him about you having a random 8.

Maybe QJ/QT will take this line, but IMNSHO it's less likely from someone open limping (those Qx more likely to be in limping range, and that kind of player is less likely to fold to one bigger river bet with top pair).

Maybe JJ/TT, hoping for a river check (I assume they also fold to 1/2 pot though). Although the tank is a bit weird, but maybe he was planning to call a smaller bet with JJ.

Much more likely is AsKs/AsJs/AsTs/etc and even ones that you were technically ahead of the whole way (KsJs/JsTs/etc) type hands ... where players often hate to have to fold nothing and feel disgusted on the river when they had a huge draw and missed everything.

There’s a lot I would like to add and I have trouble quoting when using my phone, I’ll try not to leave anything else.

In a later hand ( one I was not in) I saw same V call a 3/4 pot size bet on a 3 4 6 7 8 3 diamonds with third pair. The bettor seemed like a solid player, Vs bluff catch was correct. Does this mean I was ahead in my hand? Was my overbet the correct size? Did V soul read in this hand or tilted whatever? And meant nothing at all about my hand?

Why did I bet 1/2 pot on turn. I was looking for a call here to set up a bigger bluff on the river. If V is sandbagging a strong hand he”ll let me know and I can reevaluate.

Illiterate you are right to call me out on the “hungry horse” play. And I was trying to have a gentle day. Did I not do this correctly? Also, I don’t think I understand why you’re asking “what queens does V have?” I didn’t think a pair of queens would play this way. I wouldn’t try and bluff the river if I thought V had top pair.

I should also add that I was not respecting this guy’s PFRs. Most of them were small and frequent. He was raising and limping about 50/50.

How should I have played this hand if the diamond did not come on the turn? A diamond made a semi bluff easy to make. What if front door flush comes in on river?

The bluff should have come on the turn. It’s flawed hungry to think you’re setting up a big river bluff by keeping it small on the turn.

I just can’t imagine that you caused a better hand to fold. You were ahead of that spade draw you priced in. Lot of weak queens could be involved (not sure why you count them out) and you DID NOT get top pair to fold at low limits. I think you were ahead the entire way.

Just wondering if villain claimed that eight (which is something I might do) and shoved the turn, instead of checking, would you call?

I am an opportunist, a river that misses your range, and could hit mine. I probably bluffed the bluffer.

You played just like a diamond never came. A big bet on the turn is the semi-bluff with the 4Flush.

The flush is one of villain’s most likely hands. I don’t think it’s wise to bluff if that hits.

*Meant shove the river (not the turn) when the second eight came