The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Lol, just had a read of Lil Larussos posts, he may be my new fave mental person ever on this forum....and its a crowded field to choose from. If i may Mr Larusso,,,Just as an utterly wild, left field/outside of the box idea...perhaps don't repeatedly play on sites if you believe they are fixed? I mean you're wrong anyway with such belief but you are entitled to it, so if thats the case then erm...just leave? perhaps?
Hi, I bought a lottery ticket for $5 and won 100k but not the grand prize of 1mil...
Does that prove the lottery is rigged against me?
Do you have a 96 rating on lotteriescope?
No? Didn't think so!
Mr Larusso here has played with the best at high stakes yet with his 96 rating on sharkscope he is not afraid of those luck boxes he is actually better than them!
He has yet to meet his match!
The only reason he is losing over thousand of tournaments is because the damn place is rigged.
Lol, just had a read of Lil Larussos posts, he may be my new fave mental person ever on this forum....and its a crowded field to choose from. If i may Mr Larusso,,,Just as an utterly wild, left field/outside of the box idea...perhaps don't repeatedly play on sites if you believe they are fixed? I mean you're wrong anyway with such belief but you are entitled to it, so if thats
Agreed he is entertaining.
Did you know That he has very good pattern recognition as well as poker awareness and can tell when accounts are cheat accounts?
Did you know That he has very good pattern recognition as well as poker awareness and can tell when accounts are cheat accounts?
Are the cheat accounts coincidentally the accounts that win against him?:p
Wouldn't you think AI and huge databases would have combined to prove this theory by now.
ChatGPT - Check through my 2million hand DB and tell me how many times am I dealt KK and an A appears on the flop, is it within standard deviation ?
Let alone your 2 million hand database, there are mined hands-databases visible/downloadable with billions of hands
But somehow the proof goes no further then "you have to believe me, im actually really good"
Slugant not for tournaments on GG right ?
Guys I have an idea .
( This is for tournament hands only )
So we have a lot of people who are sure its rigged , including me . But are also very bad with collecting and analyzing hands with any program.
Lets have someone who is good with hands / database collect and go thrru the hands.
And lets collect and escrow some money from people who are sending hands or want to help and save the integrity of the game.
When the job is done correctly and with any outcome the money will be sent.
Ill put up 250 . If more people like this idea we can make a different thread and outline all the details with people who are more familiair also with the hands stuff.
We have to do something about this , im 100% sure they are running some sophisticated program . ( Rigged runouts / setups , Less premiums for the better players )
Lovely to see you again GGruinedPoker, with your usual errors
In the month of absence you had here, what did else did you discover on your mission to prove the rigged deck, please show us....🙂
What, you have nothing??? thats a shocker. I'll humour you with my thought anyway.
Wrong, you are off to a great start.
Tournaments hands can be downloaded and imported just like cash game hands on GG.
But are also very bad with collecting and analyzing hands with any program.
Lets have someone who is good with hands / database collect and go thrru the hands.
This is the most uncanny correlation in the world of online poker.
The people who are clever enough to encover this sophisticated program of rigging are also always the exact same people who cant figure out how a tracker or database works.
Its mind blowing really.
Its like stephen hawking could figure out the universe most intricate secrets but couldnt figure out how to use a calculator.
And they are not just bad with a certain program or tracker but ANY tracker.
Its even more uncanny that these players say the rigged deck must be proven to save online poker but never ever feel the urge to actually do something themselves, like learn how to use a tracker.
Its like me, my only dream in life is to win the tour the france, but whatever anyone tells me I will refuse to learn how to ride a bike!!!
Let someone else do it for me right. How can anyone take a mentality like that serious?
And lets collect and escrow some money from people who are sending hands or want to help and save the integrity of the game.
When the job is done correctly and with any outcome the money will be sent.
Honest question, how can we trust that someone who cant figure out how to import hand histories can actually send the money? Its a bloody though skill that might take the same minute to learn.
And what do you mean with "when the job is done correctly"?
Because you say you are very bad with analyzing... You wouldnt know when the job is done correctly right?
Because RNG certification companies have already done this job correctly for you... you just dont understand how its done or dont want to believe it. Yet you show absolutely 0% on the contrary.
If more people like this idea we can make a different thread and outline all the details with people who are more familiair also with the hands stuff.
Guys I have an idea!
Maybe just one of the riggies could do the work? Pull up your sleeves for once you lazy boys. Instead of just whining, do something, put just a little bit of effort in yourself, its your mission to save the integrity of the game remember? That doesnt just fall in your lap. If you guys have the same work ethics in poker I understand why are you frustrated with your results. You dont hear Linus bitching about this, he learned how to crush. Side note, I am pretty sure he also learned how to import hand histories :p
How are you 100% sure? You even said yourself you are bad at analyzing... Dear god, you even have trouble collecting hands... How does that line up with you being capable of figuring out the sophistacated program that even the high stakes crushers cant dismantle?
Then again, im sure all this logic will just fall on deaf ears and you will continue to put absolutely zero effort in yourself. Just like the rest of the riggies.
You all figured out how to play poker at a high level (or so you claim), which isnt an easy thing to do because its a very complex game. And you all figured out the sites most hidden and intricate rigging technique. But when it comes to actually backing those claims up, simply using holdem manager is talked about like its rocket science beyond your capabilities....
It just doesnt make any sense.
Maybe, just maybe, your poker skill actually lines up with your analyzing and tracker skills. Namely, that its simply just not good enough.
Ok Slugant confirmed paid by GG .
Not all tournament hands can be downloaded on GG , only for the last 3 months. That fact alone should tell u enough.
About the trust part , U dont know what an escrow is ?
I wouldnt know when the job is done correctly whats why were gonna have a database guy involved
Why are u pushing back so hard ?
Hahahaha you are funny. In a pretty ignorant way, but still you make me laugh.
Im pushing you and other riggies to do something. You claim you have the evidence, the smoking gun, you are guys who saw things that must mean its rigged but you refuse to do or show anything.
So you are the one withholding evidence! So its now confirmed you are paid by GG.
Otherwise why would you hide the evidence???
And just to add some logic, are you 100% sure im paid by GG, just like you are 100% sure its rigged and you are 100% sure covid was a fake? Because why would I urge you or anyone else to investigate the rigged RNG if im paid by GG? Logic isnt your strong point huh?🙂
All tournaments hands can be downloaded and imported, many have done so. The fact that you wait past a deadline says more about you than about GG.
Answer me this clearly for once, what is a database guy to you? Because if you spend 10 minutes on a youtube vid explaining poker tracker or holdem manager you could be a database guy.
Wouldnt you like to learn this skill?
And again, if you say you wouldnt know when the job is done correctly how will you be ever content with the outcome if it says the rng isnt rigged?
Because what you are asking a database guy to do is exactly what the RNG certificator already did. It analyzed millions of hands for non-randomness and it cleared the test, so its proven there is not a program or tweak or anything like it affecting the RNG otherwise it wouldnt be random.
So you can just send the $250 to the BMM Testlabs for their job well done 😉
You clearly dont know much about how the world works if u think we can blindly trust IBM.
Also saying u trust ur ' government' says a lot but thats a whole another discussion u clearly wont be able to handle.
Im sure we can agree on someone who will be the database guy . i cant judge about that but will trust others.
So lets find a database guy , open a thread so everyone can post if they want to send in hands and / or money.
Who wants to be the databsae guy and make some money ? After that we can agree on who will escrow
Its not IBM, its BMM. Reading 3 letters can be very hard so I'll forgive you.
But can we agree that they be the impartial database guys then?
If you cant trust them, why can you trust anyone here?
Nothing you say makes any sense, its clear you are just a lost cause and a mental case.
Tell me once: How did someone who cant figure out how to import hand histories (a 5 year old could learn this) decipher how governments, mathmatical testlabs and intricate secret rigging systems work?
How do you even explain this discrepancy to yourself, do you just stay away from basic logic altogether?
Slugant , its obviously not about the downloading hands but everything after that. And no u cant learn that on youtube in 15 munutes
Slugant , its obviously not about the downloading hands but everything after that. And no u cant learn that on youtube in 15 munutes
Yes you can. You cant just be arsed to learn. In fact, you cant even be arsed to search or you would found it already. I even PM'ed you a vid to learn PT4 in 10 minutes so it can be used the way you want to. How did that work out?
And it if isnt the downloading part, what "collecting hands" trouble do you have?
Remember a day ago
So we have a lot of people who are sure its rigged , including me . But are also very bad with collecting and analyzing hands with any program.
Cmon man. You figured out how to play good poker, you figured out the site has a sophisticated rigging program, you even figured out covid was a hoax.
How can you not figure out how to import hands into a tracker and show some stats?
For gods sake, even Paisting can import hands to show his stats... and his stats show that he is a -80bb/100 loser at micros 🙂
But for someone who is asking others to do the work for him you cant even answer simple questions asked to you.
So once again:
Its not IBM, its BMM. Reading 3 letters can be very hard so I'll forgive you.
But can we agree that BMM testlabs be the impartial database guys then? Because what you are asking us to do is EXACTLY what they've done and they are specialized at analyzing this stuff.
If you cant trust them, why can you trust anyone here?
I ve looked at that video . Nothing helpfull was shown. He only mentioned some files where to send the hands to .
Nothing about any steps further.
And how did BBM check their RNG ? Do they come by and check regularly ? How would they even know they are using the exact one they briefly check once a year or whatever ?
I will trust anyone here who has a good rep and is willing to help . And again it is a fact that there is proof in my database . IF its possible to extract that info appropiately.
Especialy allin situations/ runouts in tournaments, also omaha tournaments. How many premiums dealt, EV etc
Please sent me a dm with a price if u want to help with the hands. Then we wil escrow the money and discuss the terms
Also sent a dm if u want to send in ur hands
And again it is a fact that there is proof in my database . IF its possible to extract that info appropiately.
Especialy allin situations/ runouts in tournaments, also omaha tournaments. How many premiums dealt, EV etc
How it is a fact?
If its a fact that there is proof in your database, you could show us that proof. Because facts can be shown, otherwise they wouldnt be facts.
If you import your hands (the vid shows how for GG) you could then show the stats off all-in situations (if you win near the expected %) and the holecards filter (if you get dealt premiums near %).
This is all very easy stuff. The fact that you think its not says more about you than about the RNG. And the fact that you refuse to learn or do it says even more.
Why do you think ALL riggies are so bad at analyzing hand history data?
Are they perhaps equally bad at analyzing the RNG?
Or do they perhaps know that the data wont correspond with their statements?
Or both? 😉
... And how did BBM check their RNG Do they come by and check regularly How would they even know they are using the exact one they briefly check once a year or whatever ...
Not BMM, but fyi here is a report by another site, (ClubWPTGold), about their RNG tests:
Its not easy stuff otherwise I would have done it . That video also doesnt show how to import the hands . He only talks about it and i have a different manager
@ Mike , that looks solid .
Different manager?
You mean you use holdem manager? Guess what, they also have youtube videos explaining how to import GG hands.
And everyone is capable of figuring it out. You cant say it isnt easy stuff because you havent even tried. Otherwise what is the exact issue you are facing? What in the importing process doesnt work that does work for everyone else? Tell me.
Im willing to help you import and show stats and you wont even have to pay me $250 im such a nice guy.
The GG one actually looks way more solid
But I guess you havent even spend the effort of taking a look at their RNG certificate.
Nothing like you to not give a 110% and just blurt out something :p😃
Here is the RNG certificate
https://ssl.gg-global-cdn.com/bd/front/i...
The GLI-19 test version 3.0 you can see they passed is to be read here
https://gaminglabs.com/wp-content/upload...
Does that look solid enough for you?
They show u some numbers and u believe shit . Everything is about money . That doesnt mean nothing.
Gove me one legit reason why they would limit hand history to max 3 months ?
They show u some numbers and u believe **** . Everything is about money . That doesnt mean nothing.
At least they show some numbers, you show absolutely nothing
Also, the numbers they show have never been disproven by anybody. So you please tell which numbers exactly are untrue and why it is false? 😉
Conspiracy theorists are the most gullible people around in that they always immediately believe there must be a scheme going on and choose the side of fellow paranoid people, even if there is zero evidence delivered. Meanwhile, when the other side does deliver evidence its 'cleared' with phrases like "Everything is about money . That doesnt mean nothing." In that case I cant trust my local baker and butcher neither because they surely would like to make some money, therefore they must be poisoning me right?
Maybe you are better suited to join the flat earth society than GGpoker, or any other pokersite for that matter.
The hand histories are stored on their server, if they want to keep all the hand histories ever played stored they need to built a few more server farms.
Give me one legit reason why its so hard for you to download the hand histories in the 3 month timeframe they give you?
So saving one more servers is more important then trust of their customers ?
That doesnt make any sense
How would the baker make more money by poisening u ?
So saving one more servers is more important then trust of their customers ?
That doesnt make any sense
You are such an idiot.
Its not one more server, its a fleet of them but thats not even the main point
Nobody except complete morons think the 3month deadline is something that should be distrusted.
If you wanted to cover up something, you dont do it by making that information public for possibly everyone for 3 months...
"Hahaha we are going to rig the RNG and nobody will ever find out because we will give players 3 months to download the hh's, who will ever find the time"
That doesnt make any sense.
You also missed a lot of questions again, I see you struggle to grasp basic things so I'll ask again:
At least they show some numbers, you show absolutely nothing
Also, the numbers they show have never been disproven by anybody. So you please tell which numbers exactly are untrue and why it is false?
Give me one legit reason why its so hard for you to download the hand histories in the 3 month timeframe they give you?
