Is there evidence that Robbi cheated Garrett?

yes dude people convict people of murder on vibes way more then you would think compared to what you would consider ". The actual reason she won't get convicted is because people don't give a **** about people stealing at a poker game compared to killing someone .

Even your line of reasonable doubt is open to interpretation of a jury. obviously this never went to trial but she wouldn't make it past the disposition before she starting singing

lol. No.

Read that again.

You have zero insight or expertise on this subject and based on other discussions we've had I can distinctly say that you are just talking out your ass

Most criminal defendants dont even make it to their depositions before they start singing!

Apparently the word is "disposition," lol.

Really? Do you have the numbers on that? I doubt it. In any case, now you’re just arguing that sometimes the standards are not met, rather than that there exists strong circumstantial evidence in this case. No one would dispute sometimes the justice system gets it wrong.

Have you considered that there isn’t any compelling evidence to take this to trial? You think your theory actually contains the elements of the case necessary to prove a crime even happened, let alone that Robbi did it? There was an independent investigation that already found no evidence, but plenty of security flaws that could have been exploited.

I think the countervailing evidence is much better than just a reasonable doubt. No one has even shown a crime was committed.

of course im talking out of my ass its a joke of a debate im not going to put effort into it anyone with a brain knows the truth. don't tell me your a regard robbi defender.... The only point I was trying to make anyway is that profiling exists for a reason. A new fish showing up calling with j high and winning should be a suspect like the lovers or ex lover of a deceased women. I don't need accurate numbers to get that point across people just love to nitpick stuff to be bad faith to win an argument while ignoring the point. The guy calling out my made up numbers (geuss) also made up numbers anyway. How would a winning poker player with 20+million hands played not have some expertise in this situation. I don't think I've even seen this call online let alone the couple hundred hands robbie played

Not really and I think you misunderstand I don't even think garret could beat her at trail after reading all the fish's take on this forum its clear people wouldn't understand poker enough to convict her and it certainly wouldn't be +ev for garret to go for . That doesn't mean shes not guilty.... do you really think a random jury of people who only watched poker in james bonds movies are better at judging it then peers? If experiences poker players made up the jury tho she would definitely lose.

Also since no real criminal investigations seemed to have happened and the prime witness kind of went missing its kind of disingenuous to say there's not enough evidence because no one really tried or released what was found. Its like the nba investigating itself (steve balmar) everyone knows he's guilty but were still like two years in and kawhi and the clippers have not been penalized

I’m not sure poker players would make up the best jury, but even if so I don’t think it would be as one sided as you say. Unless they were not actually living up to the standard of reasonable doubt, I don’t even think you get past the fundamental hurdle of proving a crime happened. It might not even get to a jury trial for lack of evidence.

What prime witness went missing?

I don’t know enough about the Clippers situation to comment on it.

I heard the dude who took money off her stack is missing? or was missing at some point. I don't know I don't follow it much its not super interesting to me. but thats another thing the odds of someone "stealing" from her stack when that hand happened and be one of a few people who had access to the tech and hole cards. There was even that wired youtube video recently showing how easy it is to hack the machines and he pretty much explained how they would have done it. That's super damning I don't see how it can't be viewed as strong evidence.

The clipper thing is just an ongoing investigation where everyone knows they cheated but the nba is dragging its foot because they are investigating themselves and the guilty party is essentially paying the investigators giving them a likely biased pov. As far as I know the only investigation into this was done by hustler casino live. They have pretty good reason to not want to find cheating.

I googled their investigating findings and this is the first thing they say

1) The Deckmate shuffling machine is secure and cannot be compromised;

Theres a wired youtube video showing how to hack it....

"The investigation we conducted was extremely thorough and we found no evidence of wrongdoing in the September 29 hand. We cannot say with 100% certainty that no wrongdoing happened, just that we found no evidence of it," said Vertucci. "We promised to conduct a thorough investigation and that we would release the findings publicly, no matter what is found. That is what we are doing today."

do we really think nick freakin vertucci with vested interest is trusted to run a clean investigation. ergg

Oh yeah, I'm glad this got bumped. So first off, 2 million live hands is something like 66,000 hours. How have you witnessed 66,000 hours of live poker?

Secondly, this is very characteristic of the cheat camp in that you've conjured up this observation about human behavior that is unsubstantiated and also pretty clearly wrong. You are overlooking the fact that Robbi was playing on a major live stream. People say and do all kinds of weird stuff in this situation that they do not do in some random 2/5 game.

Here is a famous example in which a seasoned professional bowler who has been on TV many times starts jabbering incoherently.

There is literally no explanation for this statement. You could hang around your local bowling ally every night for 30 years and never see something like that. So obviously, he was using code to get his cheating confederates to turn of the system of magnets he used to win the title.

And, again, this guy is a long time pro, not a stoned amateur.

CORRECTION: these are not camps, these are religions.

This is no longer a matter of conjecture or frivolity. We are overwhelmed with crazy people who use phrases like "I believe" or "I am 100% convinced." Weirdo dogmatic types.

There are only two campsL

1. We've got people from the Leftovers looking for every sign to believe she cheated, call it Robbi Derangement Syndrome.

2. Cynical types who distrust the moon landing and advocate for a flat earth.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND

Just because I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're guilty, doesn't mean you're innocent.

this hand makes me think a lot about a big hand i once played in high stakes

i was facing a nit, who opened from ep, i called with A7s from the button, everyone else folds and we go to the flop of AA4

he leads out for a pot sized bet, i'm hating life because i can't fold here but there's almost no chance i'm not losing to AK or AQ here

turn is a 7, bingo, we diditjoe.gif - now i hope he has that AK and not KK type of hand and can take him to the cleaners

board is rainbow, there's no flush draws

he double barrels, for a pot sized bet, i opt to just call, figuring spr is about 2:1 and i can easily get the rest in there by just calling if he has it and i don't push out his bluffs and just pray there's no K or Q on the river

river is a 9, ok, i'm loving life, but now he checks

i think for a minute, deciding what size to go with, figure he's pretty polarized and inelastic here so i just jam for 2x pot hoping for Ax to call

he goes into the tank, flips over his hand, which is king high

i'm assuming he's going to muck, that he's just showing me "look i'm not always a nit" and then he does the most insane thing ever

he says call

i'm shocked, i don't believe it, this guy just stacked off in a 20k pot to me with K high on an AA479 rainbow board so i don't even table my cards, i wait for dealer to confirm the action

was the worst call i've ever seen in my life, there's no draws that i can ever possibly have here. even if i have a bluff, i most certainly am turning a bluffcatcher which beats K high into a bluff, i beat K high every single time, there's no plausible way i can get to this river without having a hand that beats king high

but he called anyway

if i happened to have QJ and just played it like a madman with intention of floating twice to steal it then i would have absolutely believed i'd been cheated

this robbi hand makes me think about that macau hand a lot - similar situation, horrific call that loses to his bluffs as well, with the lone exception of the exact hand he had

Did the game host go and take a bunch of money off anyones stacks while you were all away too?

While the “nit” was calling with king hi, did the guy in the booth move some furniture so he could avoid being in camera.

This is a pretty stupid take.

I am in the Robbie cheated camp for one simple reason. These idiot poker players playing for ridiculous amounts of money agreed to let their hole card information be captured in real time by the control room in what I assume is a desire to become famous on the internet for poker. If they hadn’t agreed to this, I would find allegations of cheating to be absurd. This information being available to dishonest staff is what allows the conjecture about how the information was relayed to the players to be debated.

I also find Robbie’s post hand conduct the opposite of what I would expect if she misread her cards or whatever other excuse she offered up. I also view volunteering to pay back the money as tantamount to an admission of guilt.

i want to be clear, if i were to guess, i think something was up with that hand, everything about it was suspicious

i'm just saying i've seen crazier things happen where it wasn't cheating - so there's no way to prove it

Bryan was convicted and sent to jail for theft. Initially she didn’t want to press charges but changed her mind within a couple months, he evaded arrest for a year and then turned himself in.

I’m sure the fact that he was arrested and sent to jail will also somehow be evidence that she cheated.

You don’t know much about the case or the law and yet your opinions are very strong.

Name a single person in this thread saying that a “shadow of a doubt” is the standard.

And really your post could read “just because I don’t have evidence you’re guilty doesn’t mean you’re innocent” that would be just as true.

Guys,

She calls with Jack-high and claims she thought her opponent had Ace-high

Rip EXPLODES and later the two are seen looking pretty intimate at an event together while she cucks her lawyer husband

She gives the money back

Bryan moved stuff around in the office before this stream

Bryan takes 15K off her stack

She was gung-ho to threaten lawsuits against people who accused her of cheating, but when there's video evidence someone took 15K from her stack suddenly she doesn't want to press charges? And only does so when they realize how obvious it looks that they were in cahoots?

Then Bryan disappeared for years.

And for those saying she was rich and had no money motivation. Look at all that plastic on her, that stuff is costly, and she's the type that clearly is concerned about appearances. She had a high-paying job previously but at the time her new role was a job that paid significantly less according to my research back them, possibly half what she had been previously making. And they live in an expensive area while trying to keep up with the joneses.

Look, I'm not buying Garrets book, his commercial is straight cheese and I don't think there's going to be anything groundbreaking in there. His crazy eyes and over-the-top delivery is awful.

But c'mon, there's so much circumstantial evidence here that where there's smoke, there's gotta be fire. I don't have to like Garret to think he was cheated.

lol that video is literally just a person super excited . its cringe but i understand what hes saying good what for sure. I doubt hes thinking about the tvs

no I knew he was charged thought he might be on the lamb tho. what does him going to go to jail have anything to do with robbie? He was a convict so hes going to be in trouble no matter what. Why would he admit to a larger crime of stealing 250k from garret? This isn't a movie theres not 4 fbi agents asking a career criminal to snitch out his partners. The way I understood it you have very aggressive punishment for repeat offenders. I don't see any motivation for him to out his partners the cops don't seem that interested in this case .

Like what is your point here?

I think the point was just correcting the misinformation that you posted about the guy still being "missing."