GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
^^^^ None of these things you're posting are accurate.
1) Lebron had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of critical Game 4
2) He guarded Courtney Lee instead of Hedo in the series
3) 38 ppg of ball-dominance is a bad brand of ball (Westbrooking).
^^^ Reversing just 1 of these factors would've allowed the Cavs to win as expected.. They were one of the biggest favorites to ever lose a playoff series.
Only 1 guy can teach Lebron how to win, and it was Wade.. That's all I need to make the case that someone else showed Lebron how to win.
The rest of the guys are irrelevant except that they sacrificed their prime for bron-ball, so it's natural that they never did anything without him.. Having opposing franchise players sacrifice their prime for Lebron is the foundation of the league-rigging... And yet Kyrie actually DID make the Finals without Lebron, and he earned it by dominating MJ (Ant).
So you're wrong on all counts.
And btw, Wade went out of his way to show Lebron how to win, since he carried Lebron when Lebron finally got past his bully in the 11' Playoffs (Celtics), and then Wade showed Lebron how to perform under pressure against Dallas.
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2010 Wade....... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe........ 21 PER... 4.4 BPM
2010 Lebron.... #1 PER... #1 BPM... #1 WS/48... #1 VORP
2010 Wade....... #2 PER... #2 BPM... #2 WS/48... #2 VORP
^^^ How is it fair for the top 2 players in the league to team up?... (AND add the #4 PER in Bosh)
How is fair for Lebron to team up with Kobe (Wade)?.. literally teaming up with a goat
So Wade is GOAT caliber now? He wasnt in your top 10 previously.
Think his peak is as good as Jordan's then?
^^^^ None of these things you're posting are accurate.
1) Lebron had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of critical Game 42) He guarded Courtney Lee instead of Hedo in the series 3) 38 ppg of ball-dominance is a bad brand of ball (Westbrooking).^^^ Reversing just 1 of these factors would've allowed the Cavs to win as expected.. They were one of the biggest favorites to ever lose a pl
Jordan taking 40 fga is just not ball dominating obviously. And sidekicks obv can't score when 1 dude is taking half the shots.
Jordan was never swept in his entire career. Lebron has been swept 3 times and possibly a 4th coming up. Just sayin. Still a great career Lebron, all due respect. But there's only one Jordan/goat!
Can we end this debate now and start talking about the new goat potentials? Wembygoatya?
Remember when Iggy got Finals MVP for keeping LeBron to 36/13/9.
Because that's how good LeBron was. People thought that was "contained".
I'm guessing this mean jordan was down 3-0? But he didn't get swept right? Being swept is the most embarrassing thing a pro can endure. No goats ever get swept. I mean if you're the goat you can't even manage one win? But 3, maybe 4 times now? Again, all due respect to Lebron, i'm surprised this history is true. He's too good to get swept so many times. He's not the goat, but a great player, but most greats aren't getting swept that much, if ever. Lebron is too good for that and i'm actualy surprised this is true. But i guess it shows a lack of winning mentality. Jordan's then, Kobe's mamba mentality would never let that happen.
Also when jordan was down 3-0 was with the worst teams in nba history and still didn't get swept. Lebron got swept with the greats from his goat-type players in his roladex.
Jordan got swept in 86 and 87.
The one game he won in the first three years was by 2 points.
I guess you don't think he's GOAT.
Jordan got swept in 86 and 87.
The one game he won in the first three years was by 2 points.
Didn't realize he got swept. My bad. But he did it with the worst teams in the league playing the celtics and bad boy pistons who are all time great teams. A little different than Lebron playing with all universe players.
Didn't realize he got swept. My bad. But he did it with the worst teams in the league playing the celtics and bad boy pistons who are all time great teams. A little different than Lebron playing with all universe players.
LeBron has been swept 3 times.
Once against the Spurs who have one of the great dynasties ever, when he was 22. Younger than MJ. The second best player in those Finals for the Cavs was Drew Gooden.
LeBron then got swept against the GOAT team (Warriors). His second best player was Matt Delly. Warriors had peak Steph, Durant, Klay and Green.
Then he got swept last year when he was 40.
Give it up.
Do you want to talk about Kobe and Shaq being swept?
You never answered my question. What makes Lebron better than Jordan?
LeBron has been swept 3 times.Once against the Spurs who have one of the great dynasties ever, when he was 22. Younger than MJ. The second best player in those Finals for the Cavs was Drew Gooden.LeBron then got swept against the GOAT team (Warriors). His second best player was Matt Delly. Warriors had peak Steph, Durant, Klay and Green.Then he got swept last year when he was 4
Lebron only had Matt Delly when they got swept? I know the cavs lost in 2015 and kyrie and love were injured. I think they lost 2-4. But kyrie and love weren't there in 2018 was it? Honestly asking, maybe your right, but sounds doubtful he only had Delly when he got swept.
He's better at basketball.
The "thing" that you could argue MJ is better at is scoring.
In that area, LeBron has about 7k more points than anyone in the history of the game (about 14k more than MJ), and has the 8th highest scoring average of all time.
i.e he's really really really good at it.
And he does it more efficiently than MJ.
I'm also comfortable, if he wanted to, LeBron could have averaged 2-3 ppg if he wanted to (putting him around MJ's mark), but he wants to get his team mates involved with his passing, or he was willing to be a little less efficient. But, he's too selfless.
Lebron only had Matt Delly when they got swept? I know the cavs lost in 2015 and kyrie and love were injured. I think they lost 2-4. But kyrie and love weren't there in 2018 was it? Honestly asking, maybe your right, but sounds doubtful he only had Delly when he got swept.
Sorry, I got my years wrong.
2015 was Delly as the second best player.
This is a real graphic.
I never hear the answer here. Because that's where you know there is no argument. I couldn't even imagine the defense of Lebron over jordan? I'm genuienly curious, so let me know how lebron was better than Jordan?
You try to bob and weave with misleading stats. But let's get to the heart of it. What makes Lebron better than Jordan?
Great career Lebron, just when you want to be compared to the greatest of all time everyone will fall short.
So Fallguy made a fake account or what? Who is this guy?
He's better at basketball.The "thing" that you could argue MJ is better at is scoring.In that area, LeBron has about 7k more points than anyone in the history of the game (about 14k more than MJ), and has the 8th highest scoring average of all time.i.e he's really really really good at it.And he does it more efficiently than MJ.I'm also comfortable, if he wanted to, LeBron coul
Lebron's Career
PPG..... 8th
RPG..... not top 10
APG..... not top 10
SPG..... not top 10
BPG..... not top 10
^^^ Lebron isn't the best at anything, and he isn't even CLOSE to being the best at anything, while Jordan is the goat scorer (by far) and arguably goat at steals.
Case closed
Jordan leads every category except the bolded:
PPG
DREB
OREB
APG
SPG
BPG
FT%
TS
TO
PER
BPM
WS/48
VORP
raptor
+/-
clutch stats
GW efficiency
^^^ You can't get specific because there's nothing.
The following are statistical facts:
Lebron doesn't elevate teammates or make them better like Jordan... He isn't clutch like Jordan... He can't score compared to Jordan... His defense is a joke compared to Jordan.... His jumper is broke compared to Jordan... He's bad at ball movement and chemistry... He can't compete on the championship level (22-33... 0-7... goat individual choke... record team loss).
I could go on and on... You've been proven wrong about everything, so all you can say is "Lebron is better at basketball" without a scintilla of proof, aka you lost.
Don't be surprised.
Any Jordan fan will win a goat debate because there's tons of proof that he is.. It's obvious.. Anyone arguing against it are victims of propaganda, and it's really easy to demonstrate that.
Accordingly, DarkCheck is making it look easy, but ANYONE can because it's the easiest case in the world to make, with more hardcore proof than just about any other discussion.. Again, how could you be surprised
