USA Goes to War Against Iran

Not a lot. I am not arguing the US has already won.

But luckbox declared Iran has already won, without really defining who he is even talking about.

Why are you challenging me and not him? I am not the one making a vague declarative statement.

Do you agree with him?

You could certainly correctly argue that you and I have lost but the US market has ripped it hardest since covid and has gained 10 trillion in 6 weeks while Iranian markets have fallen and they still ****ed up the strait.

I like you LB but it feels like you propagated yourself and got caught up in the same dynamics that you often, and sometimes correctly tell others to avoid.

You gotta live outside the system to perceive it with clarity.

I'm misrepresenting Kent and Gabbard's words by quoting them exactly when I say Iran poses no imminent threat? Okay then.

I voted for Harris because Trump is a threat to the core tenets of the United States. Far worse than any threat you think Iran is. As for gas prices, neither of our Rivians nor my Tesla uses any gas.

I don't have a problem with lag. I generally don't have a problem with people whom I disagree with on politics.

iran poses no threat to the united states of america.... they pose a lot of threat to the world tho. no one has ever made the argument they are a direct threat to your homeland which is what the intelligence agency you quoted said. sometimes you have to consider other peoples safety when your the world police

Given the way Trump treats Ukraine, I doubt the “world police” trope is applicable to him. It’s far less ideological than that.

The world, huh? The world is a large place. Should the US be bombing Russia, since they're a threat to the world? How about China? How about North Korea?

If the US needs to consider other people's safety, how about Sudan? The war going on there is causing mass famine and millions to be displaced, yet the US cut food and medical assistance so Elon could reallocate that yearly half-billion+ to himself and his buddies.

Perhaps you shouldn't conflate being willing to get into foreign entanglements for personal gain with being the world police.

MAGA + Trumpism + modern American "conservatism" has developed a fantastic ability to promote corrupt idiots into positions they are catastrophically unqualified for.

hell ya. if they could win and they didn't have nukes. its funny you bring north korea up its a perfect example of waiting too long and now the earth is like 2x in danger and we can never attack them again

So what you're saying is the US should attack every country if the US has the ability to win and before that country gets nukes? So... the US should attack Canada? Wouldn't want to wait too long...

Funny thing is Iran is winning. US wants the Strait of Hormuz open and Iran is in control of it, so by your metric the US shouldn't have attacked Iran since every swinging dick from here to Australia knew Iran would close it.

If that is the case Trump should have clearly communicated this during the election. Saying it after he's seemingly been dragged into a major conflict he doesn't have clear goals or a strategy for has made it unwinnable.

maybe not alone but absolutely should with NATO its very clear that the more country's with nukes the closer we are to disaster. of course not all country's are equal but there's definite geopolitical reason why Canada has no nukes despite being a nuclear energy leader and the worlds number one supplier of uranium.

Iran is in hot doo doo because they refuse to stop enriching uranium. This is something Canada doesn't even do we import it. Infact every nuclear power country imports and does not make their own enriched uraniam because it makes no economic sense for every country to have its own enrichment facility . There's two or so facility's one in the states and one in france that we all get are enriched uranium from to run are nuclear power plants worldwide. This is why Iran's right and claim that they are enriching it for power is absurd and not true. It would be insanely cheaper for them to buy it from France then to develope it themselves. the only viable reason someone would do this is to make a nuclear weapon. Which is why were bombing them! Your alternative is to let then and become a second north korea

Insane.

Prove this.

Of course Iran doesn't want to agree to not enriching uranium.

1 - they agreed to halt enriching uranium
2 - they abided by the agreement
3 - Trump tore up the deal
4 - Trump bombs the chit out of them

Now Trump wants them to go back to step 1. Yeah, well, good luck with that.

Aren't you canadian living in canada?

I guess Cuba is an immediate threat to the US as well, right?

na dude leave cuba alone *******s

good luck with their forever war then america can sit back invest 1% of 1% of their gdp and bomb the **** out of them whenever they get close. soon they won't have the trump excuse. They need to make small concessions to the crazy person to feed his ego until he's out of office like the rest of us

hard to believe and as usual raises more questions

Hard to negotiate with Trump when he and the people he sends aren’t knowledgeable about nuclear treaties and a host of other relevant issues.

He sends real estate developers.

The Gaza genocide is just a business deal to these Zionist monsters.

Then he murders the negotiators when he doesn't like how it's going.

Sadly, this is all too easy to believe. When it comes to autocratic states like Iran, the U.S. consistently has embraced the idea that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and consistently has underestimated the difficulty of enginneering regime change. If Ahmadinejab really was crosswise with Khameini, and it seems likely that he was, then it isn't that hard to imagine the U.S. making the same sort of mistake it has made countless times over the last 100 years.

on the surface, it doesnt make sense that they would try to kill their chosen collaborater (ie their Delcy Rodriguez) and then burn him a few months later.

As you probably remember, I was not at all convinced that they were trying to kill him. I don't subscribe to the idea that the U.S. military, the Israeli military, or any military, operates in some sort of error-free, hyper-competent way. That certainly isn't an accurate description of any large organization to which I have been privy.