2/5 nfd vs aggrofish

Just call with direct odds to make your flush. Hopefully V2 has a worse flush and V1 TAG will get sticky with TPGK or TPTK.

Seems like a fairly straightforward call.

Squeeze pre

As player call

Taking a flop here with a Reg and a fish isn't awful with a sooted Ace but i'd be inclined to 3bet to 90 pre.

as played, the TAG Reg isn't c-betting light into 2 people all that often IMO, so i just call flop.

Whats turn?

Pot is 120. You could shove.

some won't understand the art here.

Ok the consensus seems to be call.

I ended up x/r to 125. Trying to force v1 to fold better v2 to call with worse. Worse case scenario V1 jams on us v2 folds or v1 calls and v2 folds.
V1 tank fold.
V2 tank call

Hu pot 340
Turn 5♣
V2 checks
Hero???? We have like 450 behind.

i would x

I would shove as played. Otherwise, don't know what to do if villain shoves or bets large on the river when you don't improve. You technically could be drawing dead. Problem is you don't know if it is a semibluff or value bet, so maybe the raise isn't good. But you have to follow up the raise that way. I was half serious about shoving the flop. If you were going to raise the flop, it might have been better to just shove.

Only really saw this when others started posting today ... I don't hate call but I think raise is better:

1. We are OOP vs. reg and IP vs. fish.
2. Reg. probably cbets too much on this flop and folds a lot of one pair hands that beat us, or have equity and won't put any more money in unless they hit, esp. given size.
3. Fish almost certainly calls very dominated draws too much if we raise, so we have the perfect hand vs. him.
4. We would basically never just call 77/55.
5. Main reason to just call here is so we have NFD hands in calling range, but with fish in SB calling I think that's less of a problem.

As for now on the turn, we got the great result of reg. fold and fish call ... probably check, preparing to call rivers, can decide if we want to bet if river gets checked to us.

AP flop: I don't hate the xr but I prefer the smooth call.

AP turn: our flop xr is very strong. How can the V call our flop xr with anything less than two pair? Maybe he has AQo or AJo I guess.......

Shoving turn folds out his remaining and rare FDs only. Everything else has us beat.

Just x and evaluate river. We can still improve to beat something stupid like A7 or other sticky Ax.

Stack sizes?

Reading the comments, there are many ways to play this hand.

Preflop call or raise seems equal. I had too many bad experiences 3betting in the BB, a call is lower variance.

I’m just calling the flop. You’re crushed by a reg holding AJ-AK, A5s. If you were really deep, I would consider raising.

Check turn. Try to get to showdown cheap. Do you think V always bets AJ-AK? What would you try to represent with a raise? Your range is capped. LJ open doesn’t have a lot of aces that hero beats.

This is the agro. fish V who calls J6o pre?

On A75 43/64/86 are all 8 out straight draws, then all the (drawing dead) flush draws. Maybe has some 98 or whatever gutter balls.

Maybe he plays 75 this way, but even A5 seems much less likely to call/call than one pair or a draw.

Main thing we really lose to on the turn is random 5x that kept calling. We could pretend it's just some 5s*s hands, but I wouldn't bet on that.

Would check mainly so he can bluff river, on the scare card we checked, when he misses.

Haven't seen you here in a while. Welcome back. Your absence was noticed.

I was afraid you might have finally decided you'd had enough frustration and the rest of us could fend for ourselves.

Same question as always - how are you ranging V?

It seems unlikely he flopped 2P or a set that is now boated up, but it's possible. I'd think his range is mostly worse AX and worse flush draws.

If he turned his face up and showed you worse AX or a worse flush draw, how would you play it on the turn, after check-raising the flop?

If you were V, how would you be ranging your opponent (us) here? In V's spot, I'd think we had 2P/sets or TP + NFD for thick value, and maybe some combo draws for semi-bluffs.

Does it seem more likely he's going to call another bet, or more likely he'll fold worse AX or worse flush draws?

We have so much equity here. The only better AX he may have would be something like AQo or AJo. His worse AXs combos are drawing to 2 outs. His AXo with 1 heart are drawing to 3 outs.

I think we can either check, or barrel really small, like $60. Mostly checking, I think, because a bet of any size just tends to look nutted, after we x/r flop. It's really hard for worse flush draws to call when the board is ace-high and paired. He'd have to be getting pretty sticky with worse AX.

You think a reg is going to fold better AX on the flop, on this board?

Agree he may c-bet too much. But that's likely because he's betting range, or close to it, and folding lower 1P holdings. Hard to think many regs are folding better AX on the flop.

Like, give him AJ-AK here, especially an off-suit combo with one heart. How does he fold to a single small raise? There's $225 in the pot, he only has to call off $95, and he's in position.

I think he has to peel one with better AX, especially if he has a heart, and understands how far up in his range he is.

I think SB can call flop with worse AX and worse flush draws.

I think it's hard for him to call a turn barrel with any of those hands. His turn calling range may only be better AX. Maybe he gets sticky with worse AX occasionally.

If you bet here and SB calls and BB raises ... do you want to start playing for stacks 3 ways with one pair?

I think AJ gets folded a lot, AQ is a maybe, and AK probably gets sigh called.

There's a chance that BTN knows SB is a fish, and knows you know that and will make plays based on it, and can act on that and hero call ... but we still have decent equity. Wouldn't be shocked if some of that was happening in the tank fold, but he still folded.

Goddam Bro. What's with asking me reasonable questions that force me to think?

No, obviously I wouldn't love the spot as V who c-bet, but that doesn't necessarily mean we auto-fold. I think AK does get called, AQ and AJ...at some frequency.

It's hard for me to imagine myself as Dango, raising here, and expecting a lot of folds. Part of it is I'm aggro and I think I might have a punchable face, so people don't like folding to me. You'll be shocked to hear I can come across as cocky.

The bigger concern I'd have is that a x/r looks like AXhh at least as much as it looks like a set or 2P, and low-stakes TAG-regs at 2/5 tend to under-fold as the PFR when they c-bet with value.

I'd hate to x/r, have V 3B, and feel like we painted ourselves into a corner. V could have AA, but also 77, maybe 55, and certainly A7s or A5s.

But, yes, you are correct in noting that V tank-folded, which makes KK or worse seem less likely than AX. And if he folded better AX, that's quite the coup.

I would still wonder if V just folded KQhh, QJhh, or similar. There's always that "why the f**k didn't I check back" tank / funeral before folding. That could also explain what happened.

Meh. Poker. She's a vixen tempting a married man into a hotel pool while he's on a cross-country vacation with his family and his wife is sleeping mere feet away. She makes bad decisions seem like the only decisions we can make.

NB - how is V2 an aggrofish? he seems loose passive?

as played, I think a flat is great pre but I cant blame a 3 bet too...if so it would be 105.

flop. I like the check raise. We get Villain to fold AJ & perhaps AQ and he can call with his dominated flush draws. I would go slightly bigger....140 ish.

Great result getting V to fold & SB to call. We should be ahead of him here - maybe he flats 57 twice but what else can he have unless it's AJ-AK played weirdly...surely he raises with A5 A7 and sets on the flop??

I would keep betting. we want him to call & we're not scared of too many cards, so it doesn't need to be a shove. I would bet 110 ish

Like your play dango
I don’t like raising from the BB
and the flop check-raise is solid - get the money in, looks very strong and will likely lead to mistakes from villain.

Turn
Sure, wide ranges would include a 5, but so much other junk. Bet $100, keep the initiative, keep the pressure on, see what happens.

River
Even with just top pair, you might be good against this guy - but I don’t know if you want to check the river hoping he bluffs.

i mean bet small gotta be better than bet big

would guess j6 was a different situation / dynamic, maybe tilt or favorite hand or something as opposed to him vpiping 75+% here.

again though...what's with the read describing him as aggro?