Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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19 January 2012 at 03:34 PM
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by FaceplantWizzard

at my local casino a player who goes all in will get the all in button and will be asked to put at least one chip across the line "for the cameras". Likewise a player calling can announce call and throw in one chip.Standard reg EP limps with kingsRec MP raises Folds to reg who shoves. He puts out a small stack of red but there is a stack of green unseen behind his hands. I'm 85

Kinda a KITN for most involved except for the floor, imo.

In our 1/3 NL game we only allow $1 white / $5 red / $25 green chip denominations to help prevent angles. The bigger value chips must be placed out front / on top to be visible and not hidden. So a KITN to the reg for not doing that if that's the rule in your room.

KITN for the dealer for not making it obvious as to what the shove size is / pointing out there's a bunch of greens in play behind hands.

But in the end we always have to protect our own hand, which includes confirming what the shove is for if we're not sure before we make a call. So a KITN to the rec for not doing so.

Floor can't really undo any of this and the call should stand, but he should admonish all three involved.

GimoG


KITN?

Hadn’t considered the repeat offender issue. That is something I’ll consider. It’s just a pet peeve of mine that players don’t make their stacks or cards easily visible. I try to keep my cards out front and my stack easily seen. Why can’t others?


by FaceplantWizzard

KITN

Hadn't considered the repeat offender issue. That is something I'll consider. It's just a pet peeve of mine that players don't make their stacks or cards easily visible. I try to keep my cards out front and my stack easily seen. Why can't others

where I play it's a clear rule that big chips must be on top/out front & I can and will ask the player....and if necessary the dealer to enforce that


what does KITN mean?


Kick In The Nuts.

Figuratively, of course. Unless you want to actually live out Limon's, "Dad, I'm in jail...," metaphor.


2/5 weird situation due to straddles and restraddles - 6 people see the flop for $140 each.

Flop $840 = J83r

The guy who 3B pre bets $200 with $3K behind. There is one caller with $1K remaining. 2 folds and it is back to you and the one guy after you is indicating a fold. You have Tc9c with one club on the board.

You have $1400. Do you fold, call, raise, shove?


by DEKE01

2/5 weird situation due to straddles and restraddles - 6 people see the flop for $140 each.

Flop $840 = J83r

The guy who 3B pre bets $200 with $3K behind. There is one caller with $1K remaining. 2 folds and it is back to you and the one guy after you is indicating a fold. You have Tc9c with one club on the board.

You have $1400. Do you fold, call, raise, shove?

Can we have the more flop action and positions?

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Preflop villain is LJ and has $3K. On the flop it checks to him. CO folds, BU calls with $1K, SB folds, action is to H with $1400 in BB.

After hero, only UTG is still in hand, but he's a very bad, transparent player and is indicating he will fold.


trivial call

jam if you think you have any fe at all, and i doubt you do so just call


If they believe I'm an OMC, would you believe I have FE?


by DEKE01

Preflop villain is LJ and has $3K. On the flop it checks to him. CO folds, BU calls with $1K, SB folds, action is to H with $1400 in BB.

After hero, only UTG is still in hand, but he's a very bad, transparent player and is indicating he will fold.

sorry, I meant pre flop, but never mind. also sorry, I didn't see your stack in the first post

I think it's a call. I wouldn't raise or shove without more reads on main villain.


by feel wrath

I think it's a call. I wouldn't raise or shove without more reads on main villain.

Here's my thinking and I don't want to just assume it was right because it worked one time.

The preflop raiser ranged his hand as something on the high end, say TT+ and AQ+. He's a pro who doesn't play slop. He raised to $140 over 5 $20 limpers. Unless he had specifically JJ, the flop missed him completely. Even if he has AA, he knows it was no where near a fave vs the field when it went to the flop 6 handed.

The flop caller V2 on BU was a not particularly good rec who seemed somewhat weak after the pre limp and post call.

Unless one of them was sandbagging, my trip 8s or Js has to be good. I don't have that, but it's a very reasonable hand after my 2 calls pre and my OMC image.

If one of them does have AJ, trip Js, or QQ+, I'm still drawing to the OESD. I think they are going to have a difficult time calling off another $1200 unless they have a set and there is no reasonable 2P in play.

So I shoved. The lead raising V quickly folded and said I hadn't played a hand all night, which was only a slight exaggeration. The caller V2 thought long and hard and folded.

Was my thought process reasonable or did I just get stupid lucky? That was the biggest bluff I've ever made.


like fw stated, info that like is key

which is why you need to mention your image with hhs

and if the biggest bluff you made was a trivial psb shove with oesd on the flop then yes, you are deserving of the reputation you have 😀


$1/$3 8-handed, super splashy table

Button - $475

Hero covers

UTG+1 limps, Hero raises to $25 with AA, Button (Villain) calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls

Pot $125

Flop KQ9

Checks to Hero who bets $35, Villain quickly raises to $175, folds back to Hero

Villain is mid-20s whale who has a VPIP of well over 80%, goes nuts with top pair or better, will think he's value-betting 2 pair on a 4-flush board multiway, has zero slowplays, and has said he's targeting me

I feel like we're supposed to jam here, but is there any merit to flatting and check/calling a jam on just about any turn card (except maybe a King?) He's nuts, but not sure if he just stacks off a bare top pair, except maybe KxJ


i'm just ripping it in, there's zero fe, you're never folding, he's never folding now, but he may opt to fold if another spade comes


by Burdzthewurd

I feel like we're supposed to jam here, but is there any merit to flatting and check/calling a jam on just about any turn card (except maybe a King?) He's nuts, but not sure if he just stacks off a bare top pair, except maybe KxJ

What rickroll said, but also it's likely amazing for you if he puts in 175 and folds ... with the hand you have.

You are very slightly ahead of KQ, and even KhJs is really close between call/fold if you show your hand.


I ended up just calling - turn was 9, I checked, Villain snap-jammed, I snap-called and he proudly showed...K6

Clean river, and villain complained about my slowrolling him on the turn (despite snapcalling him )


I mean...the 9 is one of the worst cards in the deck for you so if you're snap calling it then happy days! Put a gps on him & head to the poker room every time he's there.

if he's going that nuts with top pair, then there's an argument for only calling if you think he might fold to a shove. But if he's slowing down on a turn spade then there are 8 cards that aren't great for you....as well as 2 more Aces. Calling also loses a little control of the hand for you given he has position, so if you don't lead non spade turns there's also a chance he checks back turn which is bad

so yep, I think just shove flop


1-3 nlhe 7 handed

Folds to H in BB $380 stack with two red tens

V SB covers young middle easterner. Loose passive calls. BB folds.

Pre ($28 after rake) A J 10c r
V $20, H $80, V calls

Turn ($185) 9s now there’s two spades on board.

V checks, H shoves (choo choo), V tanks, folds Jc9c face up.

How did I not get paid here? Why would he call the flop but fold when he hit a card he was looking for?


H raised to $15 pre


I assume you are BTN when you raised to 5bb with red TT?

Flop raise is a bit big, I don't mind a raise but the size isn't great esp. vs. 2/3 pot sized donk bet on a board that heavily favours the PFR ... esp. because if V 3bets flop your hand is a bluff catcher, even if he's bluffing a lot more than most.

Turn you are shoving 285 in 185 ... it's going to look scary. I assume he called flop hoping you had AK/AQ and he could hit a club or two pair or you'd check and he could bluff river or whatever, but who knows because I'd never donk this flop and never with V's hand.


yeah, that's an insane shove on the turn - I can't see any reason for it.

raise to 65 on flop, 110 on turn


So I hear people talking about protecting your checkback range. But what if your OOP. Can you protect your check forward range?


by FaceplantWizzard

So I hear people talking about protecting your checkback range. But what if your OOP. Can you protect your check forward range?

against llsnl mouth breathers you don't ever need to "protect your range" unless you're facing one of the few thinking goodregs, and if you're facing one of those, switch to one of the other 5 tables that doesn't have one


by FaceplantWizzard

1-3 nlhe 7 handedFolds to H in BB $380 stack with two red tensV SB covers young middle easterner. Loose passive calls. BB folds.Pre ($28 after rake) A J 10c rV $20, H $80, V callsTurn ($185) 9s now there's two spades on board.V checks, H shoves (choo choo), V tanks, folds Jc9c face up.How did I not get paid here Why would he call the flop but fold when he hit a card he was look

Grunch:

PRE - $15 open seems fine.

FLOP - not sure why we'd raise. I'd think we'd want V to keep betting worse when we're ahead, and we wouldn't want to bloat the pot when we're behind. Just call IP and see what he does on the turn.

If I was going to raise here, I'd use a smaller size. I might just click it back. But I'd mostly be raising nutted hands, and just flatting with the rest of my range.

TURN - doesn't seem like the 9 changes anything. The BDFD wouldn't seem to matter much, depending on the suits of the cards on board. Why over-bet jam? Just put in a small bet, like $90, and plan to jam brick rivers. Be leery if he check-calls turn and leads big on the river.

Flop donks in HU pots are often BS, though the sizing can sometimes be a tell. Also probably a little more weighted towards value on ace-high boards. His flop range is probably 1P, mostly weak AX, some 2P, and possibly a straight with KQ, but also might just be AK/AQ or JJ/QQ that didn't 3B pre and was waiting for a safe flop.

In your spot on the flop, I'd be thinking about how to get value from AJ and other AX combos without value owning myself versus KQ/JJ. Once he calls flop and checks turn, I'd just be focused on getting value from AJ and worse, though if V is fishy I might still be suspicious about him having JJ that could be worried about us having KQ or AA.

A good way to look at this hand is to think about how much value we might be able to extract with AA, if V is defending his SB too wide. We probably can't get much value unless we're coolering him, so it's kind of awesome when V gifts us some extra by donking out with anything. Don't be too greedy.

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