Mason Malmuth's Thoughts on COVID vaccines (Warning: O/t thread)
Since the Haxton thread was so conveniently locked, and this was the last comment, I just wanted to draw attention to it. No abuse of power there, right?
Mason, you are absolutely incorrect, please don't spread false and misleading information. There were many things with our response to COVID. Forcing people to get vaccines is not one of them, and no, there is very little evidence of it increasing death rates. If it did incrementally, it is nowhere close to the amount of lives in saved
Only brain dead people think vaccine didn’t work. There are tons of studies etc.
It’s not worth discussing w them because they are brain dead. Let them believe whatever they want.
Only brain dead people think vaccine didn’t work. There are tons of studies etc.
It’s not worth discussing w them because they are brain dead. Let them believe whatever they want.
Yeah, and the fact that he put that as the last comment in the thread, and then it got locked so no one could say anything seemed like total BS, so I just didn't want to let the comment get buried in a thread that's going to disappear from the main page
Only brain dead people think vaccine didnÂ’t work. There are tons of studies etc.
ItÂ’s not worth discussing w them because they are brain dead. Let them believe whatever they want.
The vaccines worked so well, that we had record numbers of cases and deaths directly following the vaccine being made publicly available.
You had less deaths in the initial months of covid than 30-60 days after the vaccine was made publicly available. How does that suggest that it saved so many lives?
It can't be overstated that the covid case/death count was directly correlated to the testing initiative. Covid testing was rampant in 2020 and 2021, people were expected to test themselves after ridiculous things like meeting with more than 5 people. 2022, people start getting over their fear and 2023 onward it was pretty much a thing of the past.
What a surprise that you "beat covid" when you abandon the testing initiative behind it. What a shock that the case and death count goes down in lock step with the testing initiative going down. It must be those vaccines that ushered in the highest case/death count period, that led to these results.
Add in how you spent trillions and trillions of dollars to get to that point (which further eroded the middle class), politicized the entire event, lied about vaccine studies existing for pregnant women (they don't), were OK with the pharmaceutical industries requesting 75 years until the made the vaccine studies available, were OK with an entire generation of children losing out on some of the most formative years of their lives, were in support of the idea of denying healthcare to those who didn't want to do a bunch of nonsense because they had common sense, etc. etc. etc...
It's just amazing how you people have completely lost the ability to be objectively introspective about the issue. If the ****ing vaccine was useful, the current uptake wouldn't be ****ing 15% within 6 ****ing years of it being made available.
The vaccines worked so well, that we had record numbers of cases and deaths directly following the vaccine being made publicly available.
You had less deaths in the initial months of covid than 30-60 days after the vaccine was made publicly available. How does that suggest that it saved so many lives?It can't be overstated that the covid caQuite literally no one cares. Saw how you embarrassed yourself in the last thread. No one should take anything you say seriously
Theres endless respected published long term peer reviewed studies proving covid vaccines reduced mortality and hospitalizations, Theres ZERO respected, long-term, peer-reviewed studies disproving that COVID-19 vaccines reduced excess deaths. Or, caused excess deaths. The overwhelming consensus across global public health data, medical journals, and demographic studies confirms that vaccination campaigns significantly reduced all-cause excess mortality. Since this is a gambling forum I will say that im happy the preceding facts are even remotely controversial, its why im a multi multi millionaire.
Why isn’t this in the Politics Forum? Or Science?
because nobody has reported the post suggesting it be moved to the appropriate forum.
Only brain dead people think vaccine didn’t work. There are tons of studies etc.
It’s not worth discussing w them because they are brain dead. Let them believe whatever they want.
"There are tons of studies" is the new "trust the science". Total braindead ******s are the only one left believing the Covid vaccines worked.
They are the same people who cut off their family members and banned them from visiting during Christmas, bcuz they wouldn't conform take the vaccine.
It is somewhat understandable why they are in such denial. It's really hard to admit to yourself, that you've been a fool and got scammed.
I never trust the science while posting on my handheld super computer bouncing signals off machines in space instantly across the globe.
Raymer supported the vaccine. Healthy people, young people, didn’t die from Covid statistically speaking (not saying it was zero), but like 99% of Covid deaths were the very old or the obese with co-morbidities.
I never trust the science while posting on my handheld super computer bouncing signals off machines in space instantly across the globe.
Technology exists, therefore corruption and human greed are now extinct. Great logic.
"Trusting the science" gave us things like the opiate crisis. You should actually do some research on it.
The consensus from the scientific community was that opiates were not addictive based on one handwaving, scientifically lacking "study". That "study" was a 1980 New England Journal of Medicine 4 sentence publishing. It was essentially a brief letter to the editor titled "Addiction Rare in Patients Treated with Narcotics". The authors stated that out of 11,882 hospitalized patients who received narcotics, only four had a history of addiction, and only two became addicted. The findings applied exclusively to hospitalized patients being closely monitored for acute pain, not outpatients taking opioids long-term. Pharmaceutical companies and marketers later widely cited this letter to claim the risk of iatrogenic (medically caused) opioid addiction was less than 1%, which played a large role in fueling the modern opioid epidemic.
For all of the trillions of dollar involved in the covid effort, it's hilarious how naive you are to not think it's possible that pharmaceutical companies and the agencies closely related to them tortured their own data to fit a conclusion that made them a **** ton of money.
They even told you they had a study for covid vaccines with respect to pregnant women that proved they were safe for pregnant women, which was a complete fabrication. There's no record of this study ever taking place. Somehow this isn't alarming to you, which is remarkable.
I think Mason squeezed in the last post in the Haxton thread after it was locked. And yes, the vaccines worked. It's kind of getting the disease without getting sick, and then become immune.
Do the math how many Billions did covid make mug
I never trust the science while posting on my handheld super computer bouncing signals off machines in space instantly across the globe.
Technology exists, therefore corruption and human greed are now extinct. Great logic. "Trusting the science" gave us things like the opiate crisis. You should actually do some research on it. The consensus from the scientific community was that
Tryptophan waves its arms frantically. BTW I got three jabs fwiw.
And as long as we’re all here, lab leak or bat poop on a pangolin?
I think Mason squeezed in the last post in the Haxton thread after it was locked. And yes, the vaccines worked. It's kind of getting the disease without getting sick, and then become immune.
Seriously can't believe people still come out with this fallacy.
Then you live in a bubble. Because I don't know anyone who trusts vaccines anymore, except hardcore redditard types. I know several people who supported the vaccines at the time who would never touch them now. And quoting industry sponsored studies like some sort of slam dunk argument is naive beyond belief. The medical companies made obscene amounts of money from the vaccine, do you think they are a tad bit biased?
Then you live in a bubble. Because I don't know anyone who trusts vaccines anymore, except hardcore redditard types. I know several people who supported the vaccines at the time who would never touch them now. And quoting industry sponsored studies like some sort of slam dunk argument is naive beyond belief.
I have no doubt. People should have gone on trial and in jail for what happened.
Pharmaceutical companies were funnelled taxpayer money to accelerate the process of releasing a vaccine which didn't meet the spec. Sold the vaccine and kept the profits whilst securing indemnity from the Government (at least here) that they wouldn't be sued.
Then there was the coercion aspects, social pressures, incentivisation to try and increase uptake. We even had the President pushing it with misinformation.
Definitely not an NVG topic. I think some people are just in trauma and this is their way of dealing with being coerced into taking an unnecessary medical treatment.
They even told you they had a study for covid vaccines with respect to pregnant women that proved they were safe for pregnant women, which was a complete fabrication. There's no record of this study ever taking place.
Do you not know how to do a scientific literature search?
Here's a meta-analysis of 14 observational studies involving 362,353 pregnant women:
(Epub 2022 Dec 12.)
"Conclusions: COVID-19 vaccination administered during pregnancy seems to reduce SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19-related hospitalisation, with no significant effects on maternal-fetal complications."
Vaccine deniers are lying to you. And their lies are literally killing people. So maybe you should think twice before spreading their lies.
Who sponsored these studies? Follow the money. Tell me to support your cause while throwing funny money at me and I'll dance like a monkey for you
Who pays the antivaxxing influencers? Or are they doing it for charity?
Because they draw people in by taking absurd stances on things like vaccination and then they try to sell you some supplements. Does follow the money also mean that these supplements are harmful?
Or do these antivaxxer monkeymasters made the alpha puppet dance
I think Mason squeezed in the last post in the Haxton thread after it was locked. And yes, the vaccines worked. It's kind of getting the disease without getting sick, and then become immune.
To be clear, the vaccines worked. Covid was that a killing disease 4-6 years ago, you had to shut the society down. We would all have got covid without them. Many, especially the elderly, would have died.
