naked NFD IP

If you don’t call preflop raises with junk you don’t get into these predicaments.

PRE - we should probably 3B or fold, and mostly just fold. But we've all flat called with these types of hands, so I won't beat you up about it.

FLOP - tell the truth, would you ever raise the nuts here? Is this the size you'd use, starting out this deep? How many NF combos do you even have after flatting pre? If you want to make a play for this pot with the NF blocker, it would be more credible to flat flop and then over-bet or raise turn.

If you were in V's spot, what would scare you more on this board, a big raise, a small raise, or a flat call?

TURN - again, is this the size you'd take with the nuts? I dunno. Maybe. But probably not. Most low stakes players are going to size down so they don't lose their customer, or size up because they're greedy, or scared of a bad run-out.

RIVER - yeesh. If we have the right image (not too bluffy) and the right V (has a fold button), I guess jam. But if we've been losing or V isn't as likely to fold, I might try to find a more efficient bluff size, targeting his weaker TP and 1P + a busted draw to fold out. Maybe bet $350 and pray he isn't too sticky or too curious.

For future situations like this, just flat call flop and see what he does on the turn. There's a pretty high likelihood he checks to us. A turn bet followed by a river barrel is going to look more credible, and cost us less when it doesn't work.

jam river. even the 2nd nuts would consider folding.

The last few threads of yours feel like really blatant troll posts, but I am going to respond all the same...

The preflop play here is indefensibly bad IMO. If I see someone in my game showdown KTo that called a raise from anywhere, let alone the CO, they pretty much get an instant fish tag.

I don't think the flop or turn sizings are good either. Flop is too big and looks like a bluff. Turn is too small and sets up an uncomfortable river SPR.

What does villain fold river with? Does he even have any weak hands? Are you targeting a set to fold?

Called an UTG raise with KTo HU! I have raised in late position and open shoved with hands like that in tournaments. Haven't called a raise with it.

Not sure what I would flat call with that would make a nut flush draw. Would 3! AKo. Could maybe call with KQo.

I think a shove gets hands like AQ and AT with a diamond to fold. Calling pre is a torch.

Hate when this happens, table is juicy-people giving stacks away and I can’t catch a hand.

But discipline wins, you can’t call a raise with KTo, because it’s the best hand you’ve had in a couple of hours. It’s interesting to me that in the two previous opens he had a hand that has what you’re playing now dominated.

When he calls the 50 flop bet, I’m taking the FreeCard on the turn.

I don’t really like the ‘only way I can win’ bluffs much, and from your posts - I don’t think I ever fold a bluff catcher against you.

No river advice, you got yourself in this mess, so let’s see how it turns out.

Some very strong advice that most people here agree with - fold preflop

When villain calls the flop x/r, he likely has an ace, probably a good one, raising UTG. He could also have AA/88 for a set or a flush, neither of which is likely folding, particularly with Banana likely image. Trying to get a 1/3 player off of AK/AQ on an ace high flop is not the best way to make money.

It might be best to check back the turn. However, if you do that, you are giving up unimproved. You can't check the turn and then bluff the river when the flush misses.

As played, if you are going to bluff the river, I don't see the point of going allin. You can make a big bet for 2/3 pot to pot and lay yourself better odds.

Don't call raises with junk, and you don't need to stack off every time you have a draw.

I think the call is fine - we're 250 bb effective in position. The deeper you get the wider you can call in position - if we were say 75 bb I would fold but I'd be fine calling here. Postflop looks good to me I'd give up the river as it's clear he has a good Ax opening UTG and on this runout I think you get called a lot given the most obvious draw missed.

You call with a hand with implied odds, not with a hand with terrible reverse implied odds like weak unsuited broadway.

So how does your calling range change 50 bb deep to 500 bb deep? Does it change at all?

Honestly I agree. At this point he's either lost beyond help or trolling and I'm 99% sure it's the latter.

It's not and it's quite embarrassing for people to not know this in 2026. Pre is solved, there is no excuses to still mess up pre-flop spots. The deeper you get the wider you can call in position is correct, KTo is not in that range and it should be quite obvious why not. The call is even worse vs the described villain who just opened 5x.

Shove river Banana. Well played.

"pre is solved" big lol to that one - you make such a ridiculous statement with such confidence and no, referring to a GTO chart in a live low stakes game isn't "solved". There's too many factors in real time to have a street solved - stack size matters, position matters, how many people are in the pot matters, your image matters, your opponents ability matters,etc. The reality is most people are using GTO charts incorrectly specifically in low live stake games costing themselves money and long term growth.

In regards to the hand - you say shove the river - why? The river here is actually the easiest street to evaluate.

It's generally not a good call. But with the read on V, it's not the worst, if we'll be able to out-play him post, and we have the stack depth to make an implied odds call.

That's really the rub. If V is opening a tight range and c-betting all flops, especially if he tends to c-bet for a large size, we're probably just torching by calling with trashy offsuit Broadway combos, expecting to fold most flops when we whiff, or connect enough to cost us more money.

The obvious problem here isn't what V is doing. It's what OP is doing in response. Being laid 4:1 to call flop IP with a draw to the nuts on an ace-high board, it's a pretty straightforward call and evaluate turn. We'll have opportunities to steal the pot on a later streets. Starting a three-street bluff on the flop is spew.

I believe that was sarcasm.

Respectfully, you're just clueless. Pre is solved, not sure who even challenges this in 2026. There's no reason for anyone to be making big pre-flop mistakes in 2026.

Clearly you should be using the pre-flop charts if you think calling a 5x UTG open from a passive player with KTo is fine. The fact you can't even figure out why it's a fold without using any chart is quite telling honestly.

The rest is just gibberish and not worth addressing.

/s

Post-flop is what ever, just a perfect example of how pre-flop errors compound into huge losses.

Didn't see this until I posted but yes it was.

Bingo. Exactly the kind of hand I think V has.

As noted, 3! or fold pre. I'm 3! vs someone probably getting out over their skis due to the last few hands.

AFA B's range, at 250bb deep, B has a ton of non-nut diamond SCs/1 and 2-gappers here; all of which will be raising flop and v-betting turn (although smaller---you would want V to call with their diamond hands, smaller flushes, 2p/Ax, etc.). If V can't handread though, it's academic.

A smaller river bet than a shove looks less bluffy, more value-y IMHO. Though again, if they're not going to understand the message it sends, just shove.

“Pre is solved” is a totally ridiculous statement. No one street can be solved until the entire game is solved. That would be like saying “chess is solved, here is the opening repertoire you need to get to move 15” and then providing no more guidance. In actual fact, chess endgames are solved once you get below a certain number of pieces, but it’s the midgame and opening that are still not solved. (And chess is a game of perfect information, which is why the endgame can be solved before the earlier phases.)

The actual hand is a dumpster fire. Preflop needs to be a fold.

The fact that you think pre is "solved" just shows your lack of understanding and is typical of lower stake players who use GTO software as the end all be all. No one plays close to GTO and really if you're in a game where everyone is playing GTO you should leave - everyone is losing money. Keep working on things you'll realize one day maybe.

It's a cute rebuttal but the fact you think KTo is a call vs 5x UTG open negates anything you say. The fact you still can not figure out why it's a fold is really all we need to know about you and your advice should be ignored moving forward.

Making pre-flop mistakes like this in 2026 is quite honestly embarrassing and the reason Banana still plays 1/3.

Edit: just realize you're not even playing anymore. That explains it all.

QQ, this really depends on our assessment of V's range though, right? I tend to think the guy's a bit looser than typical 1/3 UTG, never mind Solver V. Actual ? though: Since it's solved, how big a mistake is it for B to call here, in bb? Or 3! to 3X, as I advocated?

Why would you think someone described as tight passive is looser than the typical 1/3 player?