Wheel ace hits speed bump during drive to the sun
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
Our night has been all over the place, we're in for 1500 (3 BIs) and at one point we were down to like 200 bucks and ready to leave and then started running like Usain Bolt flopping two pear or better almost every hand we open. We now cover the table with 2.2k and there's several other deep stacks (~1500-2k). Struddle UTG and double struddle to 12 UTG+1 almost every hand. V just sat down an orbit ago in seat 5.
V - Basically unknown MAAG. I have seen him and all I remember is that he's a very weird player. This is the first hand he's played and all I can remember is that he can be very aggressive post flop but his VPIP is very low so people respect his aggression and we never seen many showdowns. I have seen him bluff before but its almost for no reason? As in, if your VPIP is <15%...how do you show up here with A7o on 456r naked OESD as a bluff? After this hand transpired we saw him just call a 20$ open (UTG straddle pot) with QQ OTB but we don't have that information yet for this hand. I've never seen him 3-bet pre. Shortest stack at the table with 660$. BB.
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UTG/UTG+1 struddle/double struddle, folds to H in LJ with A♠ 2♠ and we open 40, loose passive Lebanese fish calls (~1300$) SB, V calls. 3-ways IP SRP.
Flop 130 - 3♦ 4♠ 5♣
SB checks, V checks, H cbets 75, SB calls, V x/r to 250, H smooth calls, SB folds, HU IP.
Turn 705 - 5♦
V shoves 370...
10 Replies
Agreed. There's almost a full BI in the pot and the only safe thing about the flop is the rainbow.
Any A234567 is bad ( to varying degress) for H. Any suit matching card might be bad enough to create a 2way draw. So 50%++ of the deck is going to be a potentially bad turn that may lose the hand for H or at least shut down the action.
Take the pot down or GII while H has effectively 2nd nuts.
Grunch:
PRE - I guess raising is okay. Probably slightly better than open-limping.
FLOP - Definitely bet. Probably go bigger than 60% pot. Might just pot it. When V x/r's, I think I'd just move in on him. If he's got a better hand, good for him.
TURN - Same answer. If he's got a better hand, good for him. I don't think I could fold a straight to this guy, getting almost 3:1.
It's possible he flopped 2P or a set and turned a boat, or flopped the high end of the straight. He could also just have 65 and is putting us on over-pairs.
Pre. seems terrible with 3 players behind you IP, and 4 blinds where SB is calling a bunch and will bring others in.
Flop size is terrible. Nevermind what your range is supposed to look like, so many hands are drawing dead against you and just sigh fold to 75.
Yeh, lots of people just shrug ignore the sizing for random half pot flop bets but even something like 65 is more likely to try bluffing you if you bet 40 again.
Probably just sigh and shove flop to the raise, given how little there is behind. Hopefully the 2nd nuts aren't there, but wouldn't be shocked if there were more than 4 combos. of the nuts in both ranges. Also basically never see random 43o raise and fold here, but there are a few turn cards where it might x/f. Even if V is bluffing random 6x it's far from obvious he keep firing on all turns, and you don't mind if he folds. Only reason to call is if you think V is going insane with like T9 because this board is bad for you range.
Turn is pretty close, even though we only need a bit over 25% ... V needs to be shoving a lot of wild bluffs.
I have to mentally prepare myself for this situation (flopping a five card hand), because you get rundown often.
But I agree that you should jam (and I’m surprised you didn’t) over the flop check-raise
I don’t really understand that call. All it did was allow the turn to create doubt for you.
i think pre is too big and this is too wide if you're going to use this big of a size
flop seems too big too but whatever deep vs fish in sb but i dont really get the q ott. he is jamming for 1/2 pot lol. doubt you really got better often give pre
Result:
Spoiler
We start talking to V who looks nervous, we show that we have a straight and get a live read that V is actually nervous so we call off, V shows 22, River 5♥
This hand is 3 out of 5 bananas on the stupid banana scale.
It would be 4 if you folded.
5 if he had A3cc.
Trivial fold preflop, aa usual with your threads week after week, year after year with 0 improvements still playing the lowest live stakes that exist
This wheel card flop causes players to overplay their hands, as villain did. He had a pair and OESD, but it wasn't very good. This flop hits a lot of hands, so when you hit it hard, you need to play to gii.
Preflop was probably bad. In general, you play too loose. Turn flat call was terrible.
Yeah, as mentioned, you keep making similar mistakes.
