1/3, what's better than a royal draw?

1/3, what's better than a royal draw?

1/3, home game. I have $350 and that's the effective stack.

UTG raises to $15. MAWG, solid. Caller in MP is my target —

25 May 2026 at 12:48 AM
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Very interesting, informative, and educational. Thanks.

I might be relying too much on my perceived OMC image and getting away with shoves in these sorts of situations more than other players might.

I'm getting called so rarely that even with winning only 1/3 - 1/2 of the run outs, it's still highly EV +.


by djevans

you would not wanna raise on a board that is bad for your range even though your hand is good.

This is more true HU, IMO. 4 ways on the flop, and PFR cbet + call when it gets to us means everyone should mostly be playing honestly anyway. Where HU we wouldn't want to raise 88 and get snap folds, it's much better here.

There are also a few good draws, but I do understand that raising here should be very worrying to AQ and it's probably a great exploit to just fold AQ to our flop raise ... but given our hand, we don't mind winning 120 on the flop with Q high.

Yes, we flopped the world and are almost flipping vs. AA ... the problem is we are still basically flipping vs. A9/KK/QQ/JJ etc and making all of those hands fold is huge.

Someone said that doing anything (except folding) has to be +EV here, which is fair ... but unless you are against very specific players I think calling has to be worse than raise small, raise bigger or just shove.

I think V's turn bet, even with the NFD, is pretty bad when he gets called in two spots. His 50 into 160 size makes it even worse.


by illiterat

This is more true HU, IMO. 4 ways on the flop, and PFR cbet + call when it gets to us means everyone should mostly be playing honestly anyway. Where HU we wouldn't want to raise 88 and get snap folds, it's much better here.There are also a few good draws, but I do understand that raising here should be very worrying to AQ and it's probably a great exploit to just fold AQ to our

If we believe everyone is playing honestly here, what hands would we be folding out with our raise? The PFR folding AQ on this board would be insanely exploitable.

It's hard to believe V's range has a lot of hands that will fold after he c-bets 1/2 pot into three opponents, first to act. I don't understand why we'd think we'd have much fold equity here on the flop. I'd expect to have much more on the turn.

We're getting such a great price to flat call and see the turn. I don't understand why we'd want to take an action that pot commits us with just a draw and no SDV.


by docvail

If we believe everyone is playing honestly here, what hands would we be folding out with our raise? The PFR folding AQ on this board would be insanely exploitable.

I mean after it gets to us and we do something other than fold.

Say it's HU and UTG cbets A high flop, when BTN raises AJ it's mostly bad outcomes where UTG folds worse value and calls/raises draws better. So BTN wants to call a lot instead of raise so that PFR keeps bluffing and/or overvaluing worse (maybe also what hitchens97 said: raise small with a polar range).

But now it started 4 ways, so even if UTG is cbetting wide into 3 players and will maybe continue on turn with just one caller... after H overcalls UTG should be much more honest on turns and check a lot because it's harder for both calls to be draws/worse than AQ, without reads that both V's are any2 fish who can't fold, esp. on this kind of turn where at least KT/Ks8s/QsJs are in both ranges.

So if overcalling looks pretty strong anyway we might as well put more money in with our best hands.

by docvail

The PFR folding AQ on this board would be insanely exploitable.

Even AcQc (the best AQ) is flipping vs. 8s7s on the flop, and not much better vs. 7s6s (54%). UTG also has to worry about if the guy in the middle called 88. Calling is a very bad spot.

Call down with AQ in this spot and see how often sub. randomly sat down at your table and BTN has KsQh ... people don't bluff anywhere near enough to make this a must call flop IMNSHO.


Of course he’s folding AK if we raise flop. He’s just going broke with top pair? If he stacks off no big deal.


by illiterat

I mean after it gets to us and we do something other than fold.Say it's HU and UTG cbets A high flop, when BTN raises AJ it's mostly bad outcomes where UTG folds worse value and calls/raises draws better. So BTN wants to call a lot instead of raise so that PFR keeps bluffing and/or overvaluing worse (maybe also what hitchens97 said: raise small with a polar range).But now it st

Yeah, I just don't see it happening enough at low stakes, where the pool struggles to release whenever they perceive they have SDV.

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