1/2: TT facing turn shove on 8 high board
UTG straddle $5, $300 eff
Hero opens T♦T♣ to $20 from LJ. BTN 🐠 and BB call.
Flop ($65): 8♦7♦6♥
BB checks, Hero checks. BTN bets $35, BB calls, Hero calls.
Turn ($170): 3♦
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN jams $245 effective. BB folds.
Hero folds.
BTN flashes the 9♦ says he had open ended+flush draw (J9o)
Thoughts?
* Flop bet or check?
* Flop call mandatory or does anyone check-raise?
* Turn fold standard, or does the T♦ make it closer than it looks?
7 Replies
I probably would’ve led for 40 on flop. AP v two opponents I wouldn’t xr unless it was a jam.
On the turn it’s pretty close with having Td imo, though he also has stuff like 7x6d & small straights & flushes. But also Ad with who knows what. He could’ve flatted AdJx on the button and bet flop hoping for a free card if the turn was a brick. Someone much smarter than me can plug in ranges to a solver. I don’t think fold is too bad if it is at all, but maybe it is.
Edit:
I would have check/raised the flop 100
If it checked thru, would have bet the turn.
I think it’s a mistake to not stay aggressive.
Leading the flop 50 would have been fine
You have almost as much equity on this flop as you did pre-flop - no reason to slow down
You say the button is a fish, but he read you as a capped range and made a bet you couldn’t call. It appears your actions induced villain to steal. Then he showed & told you about it, yeah he’s a fish.
When you under-represent your hand, you have to strongly consider making the call.
Grunch:
PRE - seems fine.
FLOP - I'd pot it. Maybe slightly over-bet.
This is different than your AA hand. Here, you not only have an over-pair, you have a GSSD to the top end of a straight, you double block T9 for the nuts, you double block JT if the 9 comes, and you have the BDFD.
Even if someone has us beat at the moment, we have so much equity that we can easily continue vs a raise. I'd be betting large to get max value from everything in our opponents' ranges. I wouldn't expect many raises when we so heavily block the nuts. I'd be planning to go bet-bet-bet unless we're given a reason to abort mission.
As played, when V bets around 1/2 pot and BB calls, I'd be sorely tempted to go for a check raise. BTN's bet size looks semi-bluffy, and BB's flat call looks like a draw. Occasionally someone will have 2P or a set that's worried about the straight, but I don't think either opponent ever flopped a straight with this action, unless someone specifically has 54dd and mistakenly thinks it's the mega-nuts.
TURN - struggling to find a good line when I wouldn't get there the way you did. I might donk for a small size, and fold to a big raise. It's pretty gross when V over-bet jams. I'd probably fold, then take a walk or go home, figuring I'm not playing my best game.
i think flop check is fine but vs. this flop sizing and a smooth call you have to CR fairly big so you can get GII on the turn. b/c of the drawy board the other guy is clearly capped when he just calls. unless the flop bettor is downbetting with a set (very unlikely) you are pretty much always good vs. this flop action and want to fastplay.
as played i would need a read to call turn. readless id fold too.
played fine. you're getting less than 2:1 and you're basically begging to not be behind. I fold AA.
There is something to be said for double blocking T9, but that's not the only danger out there. Against a made flush you may be drawing dead; against a baby flush, straight or set (or even two pair) you have 12-14 outs with one card to come. There could be some 98/65/55/99 hands in there but are there enough or do there have to be some random AdX hands in there - and is even a fish starting to blast the flop with a random backdoor flush draw and overcards? Feels somewhat close but I'd fold here.
Flop check-call seems fine.
