1/2: How do I ever extract more value here?

It might be that a preflop adjustment gets more value - maybe nudge up to 4x if you're going to get calls and overcalls with hands like 9x.

I wouldn't change much. You got two callers with QQ and you are 60BB and 25 BB deep respectively. You got a call from a reasonable sized bet. The fact that you're happy to stack off with your overpair doesn't neccessarily mean it'll happen. You dragged in a decent pot, another time you get one preflop caller and then a flop fold and second guess yourself again. You could start telling yourself you need to double barrel more with your weak hands and this may or may not be true but it doesn't mean you should slow down with your value.

You just aren't getting that much value from 9x. When you bet turn you're targeting straight draws, Tx, maybe JJ. Say he has K9ss, you probably extracted maximum value from that type of hand. He should have folded pre, he should have folded flop given your sizings. You should have gotten $2 from him, you got $95.

But yeah, on boards like this you can double barrel with a lot of your weak stuff because a lot of people will call with any pair or overs like AJ and fold to continued pressure OTT. If they do have Tx, then there are a lot of scary cards on the river. So I'd keep barreling with all my gutshots+ and those bluffs are protected by your overpairs.

Obviously have the benefit of results here.

I will often check the turn, as many would do after cbetting a whiffed flop. Just hope an A or K doesn’t hit the river as it kills you action.

I think you are being results oriented. Forget what you know he has and let's play this hand again.

Give us the range you put him on based on the AP till the flop comes out. You say BB is a fish. Certainly he can have QJ (you block), JT, T9, 98, and 87. Heck, a true fish could just as easily have J8o. He might have AT, KT, or similar. Of course he could have a lot of worse hands as well because you just never know what some fish are capable of. Any card from A-6 could be a freeze card so bet now while you have reason to believe you're ahead.

Good news is the rainbow. But it isn't all good news such that you can slow play. This flop hit hard a lot of hands that are prime real estate in the aquarium. You don't want to give cheap draws.

So not knowing what he has, how do you bet it? River and turn bets in the 40- 60% range sound good to me because if he has TPGK or the OESD, he will pay that much.

I prefer the upper end of that range but I'm sure others will be able to argue for the lower. My thinking is pot size related to buy in size. At 1/3, you've got a pot on the turn that is 75% of a buy in. That's a juicy peach you don't want to let get away. If you bet just at the limit to make him pay hard for the best hand you can put him on, if he folds, fine, if calls that's good too.

Question - if BB x-jammed turn, what would you have done? What if BTN clicked it on the flop to $120? What if BTN clicked it and BB called?

Also - what would you expect V to do with 9x? Did he tilt you by flashing it? I'd be laughing internally, and might ask the guy if he thought I was FOS when he called flop.

I'd bet much smaller on the flop in a 3BP that went multi-way, especially when there's a 5BB straddle on, to keep both our range and our opponents' ranges wider, and possibly lead opponents to raise with their better value, or with their bluffs.

Your bet sizing scheme is way too big to get value from very many worse hands. If BB continues on the turn he's going to have 2P+ a lot on this board.

If you bet small on the flop, you can size up on the turn, and get another street of value from a wider range.

You made 65BB with your hand. V folded 2nd pair. It's very far from being a disaster. You could have gotten stacked pretty easily in this line.

At some point, when SPR is this deep or deeper, you just have to hope they have parts of their range that pay off and not be results oriented about it. I would maybe go a little smaller like 100 and then jam safe rivers. JT/QT/KT are never folding.

You took down a 230 dollar pot with 1 pair. Not some horrible result. Sometimes there's just not much more you can get

Maybe this is irrelevant.

But pot was bloated because of straddle.

If you were to play in a 5/10 game. I'm sure you'll get alot more calls on the turn assuming the same bet sizings.

125$ in a 1/2 game is 62.5bb.
125$ in a 5/10 is only 12.5bb.
You can argue the 10$straddle also means 12.5bb in game, but I assure you it's not.

Most peoples ranges tighten up alot preflop due to a straddle. It's only natural because 35$ is equivalent of 17.5bb. Wouldn't you do the same say with a 200$ stack facing a 35$ raise? You would call/3bet the same range as the normal 10~15$ open?

It's normal to be harder to get paid as well because ppl are more price sensitive at lower stakes aka more stingy.

You now see why you find some players who are used to playing higher stakes that all of a sudden spews/punts a bunch at 1/2~1/3.

I'm not saying everyone is like this but not everyone is thinking in terms of bb, they are thinking in terms of dollars.

It's the same thing as a rich business man playing the same game as another guy who has bills to pay and family to support every month. Their attitude towards the game and money is very different.
Even if they both play a laggy style, the rich business man doesn't care as much about +ev lines, he just cares about having fun. The game to him is just like a hobby, the amount at the tables to him is less than pocket change.
But to the other guy it could means his rent/food money at risk, he only wants to go for +ev spots.

If that's the case then you answered your own question that was the title of the thread.

You're zooming in on V's actual hand. You should be considering how to get value from his entire range, while not value-owning yourself.

The small flop bet isn't meant to extract max value from V's top of range, obviously. It's meant to help define his range. The top of V's range has us beat, and will likely raise, so we're not losing value from the top of his range by betting small.

V caps himself at 1P or a draw when he flat calls. When V is capped, we can size up to get value on the turn. Generally betting big with thick value will be higher EV long term.

He's probably not folding JT-AT on the turn. We don't want to be targeting worse 1P than top pair by betting small.

I would open smaller pre.
With the stacks so short it doesn’t make too much sense to open 3.5x imo
Flop I probably just range X mostly looking to XR
AP I like the turn bet and jam most rivs