My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL
My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL
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My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

Hello everyone, I want to share with you my 20 days result with 50$ deposit on GGpoker

2NL was awful, after like 15k hand

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11 September 2023 at 12:13 PM
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Unless villain is a donkey or I have significant history with them, the flop is a call Ainec.


I think you should play 100bb. Or stop overvaluing TPTK / single pair hands so deep.

Tbh from what I've seen of your hands the players are pretty terrible at these tables that I'm going to reconsider the rush & cash games and jump in on these.


by NakedBlind m

seems like you play maybe too nitty/passive

by Masq m

I think you should play 100bb. Or stop overvaluing TPTK / single pair hands so deep.

This is one hand i posted and there goes many different opinions, one says i should play it more aggressively, another says i should stop overvalue TPTK and play it less aggressively, this reminds me of Eminem's song "These demons" lyrics goes like this:

"I want you to change, but don't change (yeah)
I want you to grow up, but don't age
I want the rage, but don't get too angry
I want the new, but old Shady
I want you to say what they won't say (yeah)
Just don't go too far, but go cray"

I don't say i played this hand perfectly thats why i posted it here that i might get something useful idea or advice but skill level of viewers here it's like from 2006 πŸ˜ƒ

I think it would be better to just write how solver would play and don't say your opinion at all, i don't have solver but you guys have so you might check it out and tell me.

by Masq m

Tbh from what I've seen of your hands the players are pretty terrible at these tables that I'm going to reconsider the rush & cash games and jump in on these.

Thats really great idea actually you should do it but i already know what will happen because during my activity in this blog or in discord there were people actually who tried to either moving to GGpoker or moving to 9max deep antes but i can't remember a single one who achieved success

Basically as fast they come as fast they go, not a single one i remember who has shown success so far, maybe you're the one and you can do it but either way you will understand quality of my success i had and you will value my achievements more, so in the end it's win-win scenario for me, thats why i want you to try so i will get my fair share of respect after that.

Also, i can predict what will happen based on my experience from people who tried, your first expression will be like "wow i really like this pool, its so soft" then after some time you will see that you're not winning, you will start doubting everything starting from open raise sizes to bet sizes, you will try to change things (well you need like years to go through hell like i did and work on your game so hard to be able to achieve success there) but in reality in the end you'll give up fast and move back to where you were, but i want you to try, maybe you get my respect too for at least trying.


by blazar m

No, 350bb deep it's more like to deny equity and take control of bettingLets say villains range is QQ JJ TT AQs AJs ATs KQs KJs KTs etc if we just call he may just check-fold turn or suddenly hits a set or two pair and stacks us 350bb deep or picks up a backdoor draw and keeps barreling and suddenly ends up jamming river either with made hands or bluffs so we face very tough de

Would you cbet 50% oop on that board with QQ at 6.5 spr in an already huge pot?
What do you achieve by folding out the Ax region which you have drawing dead?
What do you achieve raising vs the Kx region?
Why does villain never have AA, KK or AK when you give him a range?
Also if you think he xf turn why wouldn't he just fold to the flop raise?

It is fear playing


by small carrier m

Would you cbet 50% oop on that board with QQ at 6.5 spr in an already huge pot?
What do you achieve by folding out the Ax region which you have drawing dead?
What do you achieve raising vs the Kx region?
Why does villain never have AA, KK or AK when you give him a range?
Also if you think he xf turn why wouldn't he just fold to the flop raise?

It is fear playing

350bb deep it will be always fear playing and nothing wrong with it

I will follow your logic, lets exclude underpairs like QQ JJ etc and give villain range of AA KK AK AQs AJs ATs KQs KJs KTs

Counter question, what do you achieve by calling flop instead of raising?

That Ax region you mentioned will check-fold turns or they might pick up backdoor flush or combo draws, Kx region might hit two pairs, AA/KK will keep barreling big and they will jam rivers, this deep you will always be afraid to overplay TPTK so they will release equity easier for sure

What do i achieve by raising?

1. Win pot right away if they fold I’m happy i denied equity, missed hands wouldn’t give any more value later streets anyway, they would only stack us if they hit something like backdoor draws, two pairs etc and we shouldn’t be playing risky games 350bb deep, we’re happy to just win it right away

2. Taking control of betting lead and using our positional advantage to control the pot


by blazar m

I think it would be better to just write how solver would play and don't say your opinion at all, i don't have solver but you guys have so you might check it out and tell me.

Why are you interested in sheep logic? INSIDE OF YOU ARE TWO WOLVES.... and well both of them have some serious sizing and range issues.


I will follow your logic, lets exclude underpairs like QQ JJ etc and give villain range of AA KK AK AQs AJs ATs KQs KJs KTs

You still didnt answer if you'd cbet 50 with those hands.

Counter question, what do you achieve by calling flop instead of raising?

You are keeping his bluffs in and not bloating the pot and isolating yourself vs good hands for no reason.

That Ax region you mentioned will check-fold turns or they might pick up backdoor flush or combo draws, Kx region might hit two pairs, AA/KK will keep barreling big and they will jam rivers, this deep you will always be afraid to overplay TPTK so they will release equity easier for sure

If we know that they will only barrel with better hands why don't we just let them tell us their hand strength? Are we really scared of these things? Are we not scared of the Ax hitting an A and getting money from them? The Kx hitting another K and stacking them? Are we not scared of putting in too much money vs the hands that beat us?

1. Win pot right away if they fold I’m happy i denied equity, missed hands wouldn’t give any more value later streets anyway, they would only stack us if they hit something like backdoor draws, two pairs etc and we shouldn’t be playing risky games 350bb deep, we’re happy to just win it right away

I dont think denying 4% eq from bdfd is worth too much, also don't know why you think missed hands wouldn't give you any value later.

2. Taking control of betting lead and using our positional advantage to control the pot

Right

Feels like you just clicked flop because you were scared and didnt want to get owned, but you just owned yourself instead.


by small carrier m

You still didnt answer if you'd cbet 50 with those hands.

I did answer, i told you i follow your logic to not cbet 50% with those hands so we can discuss ranges excluding those hands but me personally what i would do that's a different topic

by small carrier m

You are keeping his bluffs in and not bloating the pot and isolating yourself vs good hands for no reason.

Are you ready to call down his bluffs if he triple barrels 350bb deep? if your answer is no then why do you want to keep bluffs in this deep? if your answer is yes then are you ready to call down triples when they do it with AA? so by your knowledge do you understand pool enough to think they will bluff enough? well you have no clue but i will tell you they won't have bluffs and whenever you decide to stack off they will have it, do you admit you're wrong here?

by small carrier m

If we know that they will only barrel with better hands why don't we just let them tell us their hand strength?

Again, if they tell us their hand strength are you ready to call down or not? if no then why do you want keep their bluffs in? and if yes then congrats you're losing full 350bb stack because they aren't bluffing

by small carrier m

Are we not scared of putting in too much money vs the hands that beat us?

Actually by taking control of pot we're losing less money, we lost 200bb in this hand instead you would've lost 350bb if you let him keep barreling, do you agree you're also wrong here?

by small carrier m

I dont think denying 4% eq from bdfd is worth too much, also don't know why you think missed hands wouldn't give you any value later.

You're basically giving him a free card so, if he picks up flush draws or +gutshot or OESD draws whatever then he picks up 20%++ equity OTT and if he doesn't then he won't continue, basically you're risking to lose 350bb stack and get nothing, unless if he keeps barreling with missed hands and unless we're ready to keep calling (and it's not 4% get your facts straight)

by small carrier m

Are we not scared of the Ax hitting an A and getting money from them? The Kx hitting another K and stacking them?

Do you believe Kx hands would just fold to that smallish raise? i don't think you believe that so if another A comes or K we'll stack them anyway much easier because pot will be bigger, again you're wrong here too

by small carrier m

Feels like you just clicked flop because you were scared and didnt want to get owned, but you just owned yourself instead.

Definitely i owned myself by losing 200bb, i think you would've lost less in that hand right? (irony)

I would gladly give away strategical infos for people who really want it but dude you aren't here to learn and you're not capable to deliver your ideas in that way that will help me to improve either

So you're here to just blindly argue while you're not even close to knowing anything in this game, it's just annoying nothing else.

by Rolled High, Bro m

Why are you interested in sheep logic? INSIDE OF YOU ARE TWO WOLVES.... and well both of them have some serious sizing and range issues.

Be more specific


youre great man fr. never change


its not THAT badly played, flop raise can be fine, think when you’re this deep though on turn you might want to check back or size larger with the hands you bet with, I think AK can do both here, betting something closer to 50-60% seems better, you can then check back this particular river with AK, odds are he just soul read your turn size thinking you’d bet larger with sets and straight and didn’t want you checking back river so he led a size that kinda forces you to call with exactly what you had and prob KQ as well

so he kind of owned you but only because your turn sizing was face up at this stack depth, this would have been completely fine to size like that if you had only 200bb at start of hand


by blazar m

Be more specific

Based on your reactions to anything that goes against the way you choose to play, that seems like a waste of time. If you want to learn correct sizing/ranges, I would suggest you take some of the 6k you have online and invest in yourself. You appear to have zero bills so it's not like there's a huge opportunity cost.


by Xenoblade m

its not THAT badly played, flop raise can be fine, think when you’re this deep though on turn you might want to check back or size larger with the hands you bet with, I think AK can do both here, betting something closer to 50-60% seems better, you can then check back this particular river with AK, odds are he just soul read your turn size thinking you’d bet larger

First i read this text and said to myself "wow finally someone wrote something smart" then i looked who wrote it and it's Xenoblade, a successful high stakes player, basically this is opinion that counts and the others who commented about this hand was just a noise

Yeah i agree, river donk from villain is unpleasant i even thought to bluff jam there but probably he wasn't folding anymore because he committed himself with that bet probably but not excluding exploitatively he was ready to fold, actually i have zero bluffs there if i jam, but indeed his donkbet was unpleasant and mandatory call from me because he could easily have AK or maybe worse Kx but gut feeling was telling me he had exactly AA but i still had to call

Also i agree about turn sizing probably around 50% could do better or check-back i would've lost less probably


The problem with nowadays 2+2 community is that there is too much bad noise, i think successful players from old golden era of poker no longer can beat the game and they became somewhat evil/toxic who wish others to fail too, this is what i feel, this place became very toxic and evil, people give too much bad noise and they have basically no clue about how this game works


by blazar m

The problem with nowadays 2+2 community is that there is too much bad noise, i think successful players from old golden era of poker no longer can beat the game and they became somewhat evil/toxic who wish others to fail too, this is what i feel, this place became very toxic and evil, people give too much bad noise and they have basically no clue about how this game works

my brother in christ, you are the noise


by ThePokerGuy888 m

my brother in christ, you are the noise

For you I'm the noise probably because i don't follow the delusional path you worship aka the only way is to study solvers, i do things my way and this is my blog

I don't go to other blogs to spread my "noise" if you see my posts in others blogs its mainly wishing them luck or saying something very humbly and respectfully without bold statements or spreading my ideas


Another hand for review, i really hate to play hands passively, my weakness is check-calling lines because someone like this goes for huge turn cbet and then i don't know what to do and i just punt-jam i guess because i hate folding



by blazar m
by ThePokerGuy888 m

my brother in christ, you are the noise

For you I'm the noise probably because i don't follow the delusional path you worship aka the only way is to study solvers, i do things my way and this is my blogI don't go to other blogs to spread my "noise" if you see my posts in others blogs its mainly wishing them luck or saying something very humbly and respectfully without bold state

lol i am anything but a gto solver snob. All i've ever advocated for is to understand the strategies it suggests and then deviate from there with exploits based on tendencies. I'm afraid you wont achieve the growth and goals you seek by being so close minded to peoples suggestions and just live in this fantasy world where you know everything.


by blazar m

Played today, up a little

Played 666 hands today perfect number to stop i guess, also withdrew like 100$


roll



by blazar m

The problem with nowadays 2+2 community is that there is too much bad noise, i think successful players from old golden era of poker no longer can beat the game and they became somewhat evil/toxic who wish others to fail too, this is what i feel, this place became very toxic and evil, people give too much bad noise and they have basically no clue about how this game works

Somewhat truthful. All elite players and virtually all good players have left open forums like this for private/semi-private discord chats. A majority of the people making threads and posting daily are bad players who aren't interested in getting better, because in 2026 everyone who advances from rec to reg has transitioned off of legacy sites.

To your other point, I'd say that most successful boom players, that still play professionally, have taken their skills and crush apps or ring fenced sites. Because we understand that the goal is to make the most money with the least stress.

Humbly. Respectfully. Good luck.


Also i understand like, we can't ask an average person who wants to become a winning poker player to be creative and come up with something by himself, it's like impossible thing to ask for an average person, they need a source to study from but as soon as they see someone like me doing things differently (which they think either it's impossible or i have to be special to do it) in both ways they're hating and it's understandable, i understand.


by blazar m

Also i understand like, we can't ask an average person who wants to become a winning poker player to be creative and come up with something by himself, it's like impossible thing to ask for an average person, they need a source to study from but as soon as they see someone like me doing things differently (which they think either it's impossible or i have to be special to do it

What were you doing for a living before you found such success in poker? Humbly/respectfully


by Rolled High, Bro m

What were you doing for a living before you found such success in poker? Humbly/respectfully

Humbly & respectfully 2 magic words indeed πŸ˜ƒ

Back in the day my source of income was online shop kind of thing, i was ordering products, placing ads, posting products, had an employee who was answering customer messages and taking orders while another employee was packing orders and giving them to delivery company so my effort was minimal there, basically i was doing nothing most of the time like a boss, i was playing games like Lineage2 for many years πŸ˜ƒ

When i decided to quit that business and make poker as the only source of income ofc it was high risk decision, had savings of around only 5k$ which i planned to use to play live 1/3 since the risk to lose there was non-existent (in my mind) and slowly grind online poker from micros because i knew to start from low-mid stakes was too risky, i was down to earth and knew online competition was too tough so i wouldn't risk to deposit more than 20-30$

Grinded from NL2 and i still have 5k$ untouched outside of online bankroll in case anything goes wrong, i can applaud myself that i have balls to do what others can't and i have balls to do it in my own way so here people are allowed to be hating as much as they want but they won't be able to stop the progress


Back in the day my source of income was online shop kind of thing, i was ordering products, placing ads, posting products, had an employee who was answering customer messages and taking orders while another employee was packing orders and giving them to delivery company so my effort was minimal there, basically i was doing nothing most of the time like a boss, i was playing games like Lineage2 for many years πŸ˜ƒ

And that business generated enough income for you to fully pay off your house? If it was that big of a money maker why not keep doing it for another 6-12 months to give yourself a big bankroll?


by Rolled High, Bro m

And that business generated enough income for you to fully pay off your house? If it was that big of a money maker why not keep doing it for another 6-12 months to give yourself a big bankroll?

At the begging it was, i had few hit products but then it was slowly decreasing because i was too lazy to research and add new products, basically i was auto piloting doing the same thing all the time

“Giving yourself a big bankroll” is a mistake because you gonna lose it anyway, better give yourself a big skill and how you do it? Start from the rock bottom (NL2) and grind it without re-depositing a penny, master discipline, master everything, this is from where the real skill is acquired, big bankroll should be earned, i don’t respect big bankrolls that are from the external sources


by blazar m

β€œGiving yourself a big bankroll” is a mistake because you gonna lose it anyway, better give yourself a big skill and how you do it? Start from the rock bottom (NL2) and grind it without re-depositing a penny, master discipline, master everything, this is from where the real skill is acquired, big bankroll should be earned, i don’t respect big bankrolls that are from the externa

Would you say you've mastered discipline?

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