2/5 ~ being pushed around by 4bets
2/5 ~ 9 handed
V ~ young asian, hyper aggro. float flop ip w/bottom pair, turn raise5x over 2nd barrel, 1k eff. Opens wi
the co 4betting range looks extremely wrong to me. you have him 4bing something like 3-5x too much with a tighter opening range than he has
If I know you're folding so much of your 3bets...I'll 4bet 100% of my open range vs you. It's absolutely printing when you fold so much.
i think thats a wild conclusion to draw from the information provided
Yea, and you and others were assuming V only 4bets premiums only...
v is losing ~35bb vs max exploit every time he 4bs a2-a9ss and ato-ajo, and 5bb with the offsuit ax and ~3b with the axss vs an opponent responding normally (pure folding AQo vs the 4b)
the whole point of solved pre ranges / balance / "gto" is so that villains cant randomly exploit you. if there was a strategy that could do better vs the solved ranges (4bing 100%) then that wouldn't be the equilibrium
i dont really want to go in a circle so am probably gonna stop responding here but like idk man.
If I know you're folding so much of your 3bets...I'll 4bet 100% of my open range vs you. It's absolutely printing when you fold so much.
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lol - this is what your villains are doing to you
This is a very bad takeaway
When villain is 3betting light, we don’t want to 4Bet lighter
I think you have to give people a reason to 4Bet light - 3betting light and folding a lot to 4bets will do it.
The population has premiums
When your style is tight-aggressive, nobody is trying to 4bet bluff you.
Every game is different and you have to adjust
Players can change styles completely
Sometimes it’s a game of chicken players throw at you with no rhyme or reason
Like 3betting from the BB with AQo
I would call that raising light
I appreciate you dango
I’m sure your game is solid and you’re always trying to find that extra edge - we’re in this together. All thoughts help all of us, because nobody has it figured out.
I think that we look too much at the hand
This is too good a hand to fold we say
But the truth is it’s always about the situation
I only know my own truth, but I think my game considerably improved when I started folding more OOP. In position, I can control the action and have a plan. There’s too much guessing OOP.
Just giving thoughts and focusing on the game I love. I could be wrong, but usually I’m not playing AQo, AJo OOP unless I can get in cheap and certainly not blowing up the pot with them.
Trouble hands win sometimes (all hands do), but they usually win small and lose big. It’s not that I’m overly tight (I’ll play almost anything from the button), it’s just that acting first sucks. You need a big hand!
The games hard enough with the natural coolers that happen, I don’t want to put myself in bad situations and try to guess my way out of it. Anyway, you get the idea, I’m very very tight OOP, unless I have a reason to make a move. It’s only one hand - and another one’s coming.
Most people at low stakes lives call 4!s too much, as they want to see a flop. If you seem to be folding to them, you may get 4! light.
In tournaments, it is common to flat call with strong hands that you can't call a 4! shove with and include 3!/fold bluffs. There stacks are shallower and stealing and restealing preflop are more important. So I would tend to flat call AQ if there is a significant amount of 4-betting. In a 1/3 game, with usually little 4-betting, I would be more willing to 3! AQ.
