The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Oh, what were suggesting when you said conservatives won't approve increasing dollar amounts.

It's a new problem, certainly wasn't as big of a problem when we were kids and has gotten much worse in the last 5 years, so what changed?

I don't think I suggested it would be easy, but it's time to get real and stop having compassion for these addicts who are parasites on a functioning society. Treating addiction as a "disease" hasn't worked.

You seem pretty firm in your convictions for someone who doesn't actually understand what Metis and Metis status is.

People often need several tries through rehab before it is successful. In the excellent From the Ashes book he describes this in detail how it took many many tries before it finally stuck and he is now fully integrated back into society as a highly successful person.

I know this personally. My sister in law I mentioned earlier went to rehab a few months ago. 3 days later she used again in my bathroom, with her family (and families' kids) around her. It's hard. It is very, very ****ing hard.

Ok. Between lozen's "natural selection" and moving target's "sane societies let them starve to death" it's pretty clear there is nearly zero compassion for addicts among a large political faction of our society. But I'm not sure what this achieves. A bunch of bros telling each other how horrible people with substance abuse disorders are doesn't actually help anyone - not you nor I or them. It isn't a solution. It isn't a policy prescription. I suppose layered behind it is a rejection of any policy that can be interpreted as "compassion", but mostly it is just guttural proclamations of how much you don't give a **** about these people.

A sane society won't call people 'garbage', but a sane society will let folks starve to death? Amazin'!

You absolutely DID say that. (Unless you disagree with what sane societies do by your account.)

I did brush up a bit on it after it had been awile. In northern Ontario there's a lot of people masquerading as fake or exaggerating as metis for hunting licenses so I might be a bit biased. but my main point was this guy was not even raised metis. so genetically he's just another white guy from brampton (which ironically is a minority now) Im also metis on my mothers side but I dont feel a need to make it official to get government freebies and teach metis studys since like this guy shes stil 90% european . Metis do have a very interesting genetic bottleneck identity tho. A lot of people don't even realize they are metis they are just told they are french Canadian or something via government trying to forget about them.

maybe but after the first couple times your chances drop to nearly zero. In his interview I watched he mentioned he was mainly a drug addict because he couldn't get into rehab it was always full. Which is actually the problem but a different story then it took him 7 times

I said historically healthy beggars were not allowed and kicked out of the city walls because they were sane. Im talking city state eras before drugs or mental health were a thing. There were laws where only cripples can be beggars. If healthy They were given a purpose and being given a purpose is the best way to improve your mental health

you did “sane societies” let them starve to death. That sure reads as you giving a value judgement - the sane ones allow this. Considering you had just come off suggesting forced labour, it is not a reach. Either way it’s a macabre thing to say.

Personally I think we should have food banks so people experiencing homelessness do NOT starve to death.

This!

MovingTarget was clearly making a value judgement; there was no suggestion in his wording he was making some neutral historical observation.

Controversial take for sure. 😀

Lack of an availability of rehab spots - particularly for those without family money - is absolutely an issue. Both are. In his case, iirc, he was in and out of detox centers, prison, shelters, and rehabs for something like a decade. This isn’t uncommon, it can take multiple tries until it sticks.

The point is that being against “repeat rehabilitation” is pretty stupid. We should WANT success stories like this even if he absolutely fit all of your guy’s descriptions of someone undeserving of empathy or second chances.

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Controversial take for sure. 😀[/QUOTE]wait to they hear my take that we should have naloxone readily available so the garbage people don’t get naturally selected by overdoses! A recent bc report says 4 out of 5 deaths saved by naloxone.

I mean most of them wouldn't starve to death tho. they would just stop being beggars because giving free hand outs to healthy beggars enables them to be beggars. I kind of stand by it but what I actually said was put them in forced labor camps so they learn to have a sense of purpose which is actually worse. you kind of just skimmed over that LMAO. I imagine there's some counseling going on there.

as someone with mental illness like myself (obv lol) I find all the treatment in the world wont help if your sitting around with no purpose doing drugs . get them to work they can pay for the treatment while learning skills and getting purpose

Ya, ya, forced labour camps LMAO indeed. I presumed this was obviously self defeating. Are you really going to make us prove Godwin's law?

What is a "healthy beggar"? You guys have been screeching about people with addictions that doesn't deserve second rehabilitations, and suddenly we are onto healthy beggars who just need a bit of purpose instilled from forced labour to stop being "beggars"? Even the language is weird - beggars? Still? I'll leave it to you to get upset about other people's language choices but **** man.

historically beggars were cripples now they are healthy people physically

So what? Historically forced labour camps were not the kind of thing you would suggest on fellow humans. I don't think you want to be alluding to history here.

meh gotta do it right! If at any point they can afford to live on their own or want to get a real job they can leave. Its wouldn't exactly be a concentration camp! give them the proper care that we can pay with their forced labor ;p I know it will never happen a man can dream. were not talking 50 hour work weeks here. IT can even be voluntary idc. motivations important incourage companys to higher these guys on the downlo

I guess I thought 2 days of forum being down you’d return too your senses and back off “forced labour camps” as a real thing you are really suggestion for fellow humans. And you half did half didn’t. Too bad.

Paid work opportunities from companies for people experiencing homelessness sounds great, would you vote to provide government funding to incentive such programs or is this more of a wag your finger at companies kind of thing?

Neither Lozen nor MovingTarget are strong candidates for this year's Humanitarian of the Year Award. Still six months to go, so anything is possible I suppose.

Yes maybe I have been hardened by the fact I have had a knife pulled on me in a liquor store and thought I was going to be mugged in Edmonton leaving a hockey game. Doesn't help to see the addicts injecting dogs first in LA to test their drugs being a animal advocate . Add in waiting 4.5 hours for an ambulance for my brother because they are all busy with overdoses. Speak to a paramedic about what they deal with regarding overdoses and the homeless

I am all for government $$$ going to remedy the situation but when you tell me the issue with homelessness and addiction is a lack of affordable housing your nuts it has nothing to do with affordable housing . Now I read Mark Carney and David Eby are going to bail out developers in Vancouver and buy condos that are not selling to create affordable housing and I go WTF

Happy Pride Month by the way 😀

Shifty was trying to outcompete telling us to not have any compassion for these parasites, but since he wasn't calling for forced labour camps or suggesting sane people would let them starve to death or die of natural selection.

Two things can be true at the same time. People experiencing homelessness or housing precarity are NOT all the same. One one hand you might have the worst of the worst caricature of a "garbage" addict. On the other, you might have a low income single mom trying to raise kids on her part time job who can't find a condo to rent, or someone who is disabled, etc etc. There is a big need for below market rents that aren't the same problem as the issues you guys are trying to focus it on.

it was up if you used the new version. hold your breath its back