Aces on the side
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
We're getting annihilated lately. Game is early Friday night and is currently a mixed bag. Earlyish in our session.
V1 - unknown asian man. Had 450 and just recently got clobbered. Was playing kind of a tight passive game with a premium betting range and semi-locked down. Now he's ripping it every hand. This is the third or fourth hand dealt since he got wrecked (I forget how sick it was I think 2pear over 2pear). 85$. BB.
HH w/ V1: I open J7ss OTB, V1 shoves BB for 45, UTG straddle folds, I call. V1 has 22 and holds.
V2 - unknown white man. Seems clueless but I have maybe 30-45 minute sample. HHs are best. Covers. MP.
HH1 w/ V2 - V2 opens 40 cold EP and I snap fold AQo OTB, gets action from BB and has AKos.
HH2 - V2 straddles UTG, I open K4hh OTB, SB calls V2 calls. Ac Jc 2h x x I cbet 1/2 pot, SB folds V2 x/calls. Turn 4d I bet 75 into 100 V2 x/calls, River Ac Jc 2h 4d Kc check check and V2 has 97cc.
---H 550 eff with V2 from CO
V2 opens 20, H to 65 in CO with A♣ A♦ (we forget/don't see V1's stack size), V1 rams 85 total, V2 calls, H calls. HUOTS.
Flop 255 Main 0 Side - Q♣ 6♣ 3♦
V2 checks, H 65, V2 calls
Turn 255, 130 - 3♥
V2 checks, H 105, V2 calls
River 255, 340 - 2♠
V2 leads 100... we have 295 back...
8 Replies
Larger on flop and turn. Shove river. We have 2-pairs counterfeited. Mostly losing just to a 3 or a boat.
PRE - fine.
FLOP - bigger.
TURN - bigger.
RIVER - jam.
If he's got us beat, tap the table and go home.
I wonder why he leads, did he think you were going to check it back and take a FreeCard on the river? It’s especially weird, because the 2s on the river doesn’t change anything unless he’s got 22. Maybe he was waiting for the flush draw to brick.
I’m just not as greedy as some
You’ve been running bad
This play is strange
I would just call and save 295 when he shows you a three. I could be kicking myself for losing value, but it looks like we’re cracked.
Never evaluating preflop with you, because I know you now.
I like small continuation bets multiway, but you ended up heads up on the flop, so I would have bet more. With a bigger bet on the flop, you could have gone bigger on the turn. I know you’re trying not to run him out of the pot, but this time, it might have been good if you had.
I wonder why he leads, did he think you were going to check it back and take a FreeCard on the river? It’s especially weird, because the 2s on the river doesn’t change anything unless he’s got 22. Maybe he was waiting for the flush draw to brick.I’m just not as greedy as someYou’ve been running badThis play is strangeI would just call and save 295 when he shows you a three. I c
Yes. He led river because he thought H would check back. When we bet small on turn, or just check back, they lead river more, both with bluffs and value.
But generally, they go smaller with bluffs and bigger with value. They get greedy and want to get paid when they have a big hand and the pot isn't bloated from bigger bets going in on earlier streets. They don't think they need to risk much on a bluff when our line looks weak.
When V takes this line, he'll generally have a hand with no SDV at all, or a hand with almost no SDV if hero checks back. He'll usually have something worse than top pair.
Occasionally he'll hero-call a raise if he has a pair, or level himself into thinking he can win / chop with ace-high. But mostly he'll fake-tank to pretend he wasn't bluffing and actually has a decision to make, then he'll fake-sigh-fold.
I like offering 8:1 IO preflop, which would mean a 3bet to $90. Dood seems relatively straightforward, so even though it is a LP open it is most likely still just a big hand. Course it would suck for him to fold, and we're ok offering a bit better IO when we have AA. Still, think we should go larger preflop, especially with a banana image.
SPR is 2. Board is slightly drawy although with us having the A flush it is almost impossible for this guy to have a flush draw. Pot is protected so he knows we're kinda never bluffing. So overall I think I'd try to eke in stacks over 3 streets with small bets. I'd go a little larger on the flop to make this easier.
As played, probably have to go a little larger on the turn to make river shove easier.
He simply has more combos of AQ/etc. than QQ, plus QQ is more likely to check/raise a somewhat drawy flop. So river donk looks blockish to me and I probably shove for value.
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Result: I just call the 100, V2 has QQ, V1 mucks.
Both players misplayed it. Both should have gotten the money in.
