CoinPoker discussion

It’s IN YOUR SCREENSHOT you just want it to mean something different than what it ACTUALLY says - and what you don’t see is all the communication I had directly with Coin at the time of the Bot Refund telling them it was social media suicide to do what they were doing - they couldn’t even get the wording right it flipped between we’ve refunded to we will be refunding and btw where are the bots now, they all taken care off ? No more refunds since - not one public announcement or refunds by coin EVER before or after the Zamani video just that one within 24hrs (and there are people in my inbox who allege Coin had something to do with that video in the first place - who knows but it would explain why they’d be talking to you numptys just before it about refunds)

Coin has been nice not to sue me ? You really think so do you ? They know EXACTLY who I am, there’s no niceness in it

The “announcement” you talk about was a factual representation of coins terms - it was absolutely meant to shock and I’m perfectly happy I’m legally sound on it - remember the only harm it could of done them was with UK and USA players … and they aren’t allowed on the site LEGALLY or by coins terms so there was no harm - you starting to understand how the legals work now ??

err maybe he does it for $ and because he can?

there are plenty of datamining threads on 2+2 ... including for coin.

this is after all an illegal criminal operation - not a legal poker site. - so who cares if he scrapes the data + sells it ? it's been going on for 20 years.

maybe he's calling out coinpoker b/c they are shady ****s - for the good of the poker community - so they remove their excessive spyware - and the plugged in for the future FULL remote access..

Ok so he or you (same username on Reddit and same profile pic as CP Hands) have an agenda - that the site is 'criminal' and you're doing a 'good for the community'.

The article itself also ends with 'if' and 'assume' - it doesn't make a conclusive statement, presumably to cover itself legally, like Transparency often caveats 'it might be all solid'.

Also other rooms have similar strong anti-cheat measures, as the articles says online poker 'needs'.

'Who cares if someone scrapes HH data and sells it'? That is much more criminal to the poker community surely than an offshore operator (one of many) allowing people to play a game of skill in their home, when they don't have other options to play at.

I'm looking forward to seeing the headlines:

"Anonymous user on a poker forum suing another anonymous user for libel".

Maybe you'll win one cent for damages to your reputation, without legal costs awarded?

Perhaps you might be more successful if you post your RL name and ask him to repeat his post, using his RL name?

There he goes again “way more unethical than coin” just attached to me like that - what is it did they send you over from the discord with the promise of a $5 tournament ticket ?
Your just a full blown wanker mate, just last night after a guy had reached out to coin support and numerous ambassadors for a day having issues onboarding without any response from any of them did I walk him through how someone in his location COULD get their funds onto the site AT THEIR OWN PERIL - it’s for everybody to make their own mind up, I try and be as factual as I can, caveat where necessary and just lay it out for people - you on the other hand look at something and make it what your tiny little mind wants it to say and no doubt what you’ll hope will buy you some kudos with coin

You want to know the biggest issue now for me - the people behind and driving Coin are STUPID and I hate stupidity- they are stupid if they are bent or straight because whatever angle they are coming from they’ve made a pure balls of it

And the Ambassadors, a chocolate fire guard would be more useful

When you make allegations like that you don’t get to stay anonymous very long Mike - but he’s the guy reckoning an Illegal Offshore Poker Site are being generous not suing me for possibly driving away some of their U.K. and USA customers that they aren’t allowed to service either by those Countries Laws or their own Terms And Conditions 🙄

@jspill

So is the pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos?
Does the site have a vendetta versus coinpoker and if so, why? (because i cant see it on the site which looks ok)
You say we dont know the background to the story, and that is true, so I would like to ask you what the relevant background is so I know whether to take this article serious or not.

FWIW, I am not affiliated with the other names ITT an dont have anything out for CoinPoker. I just thought it would be helpful and interesting if CP made a clear statement about the article instead of the bitchfight between you and Jeff&Trans.

He follows Jeff / CPHands on X, the site unethically datamining CoinPoker players' hands, which came up with this 'story'.

He follows from the PokerIndustryNews website's X (@pokernewswire) which he also owns (as his Muckrack says, he has 2 X accounts). He replied to CPHands within an hour on June 18 asking him to DM the info over, then the article was written.

They post in a similar way, this aggressive accusatory tone at anyone randomly writing about CoinPoker for any reason, all in lower case.

That was under an article Poker Industry Pro did about CoinPoker partnering with a Live tournament series, the Battle of Malta, not even a positive article, that site is not affiliated with Coin. It's just normal journalism that Battle of Malta partnered with Coin - they used to partner with GG (Burke covered that partnership, but not the Coin one)

Loads of positive articles about GG on the site btw, and CPHands loves Negreanu on X.

This is under Andrew Neeme just sharing his own results playing on the site:

You screenshot everything for content on X, but despite that it's hard to find a site more communicative than Coin that responds this much, they responded to you in the main thread, and in your other thread about the 100% rakeback thing (which you were also wrong about). Which other sites bother to post this much on 2+2? Even with trolls trying to undermine them - like when players were genuinely banned for multiaccounting that they admit it, you still show up in the thread trying to trash Coin.

You were replied to, you even had your own VIP manager girl who you posted screenshots of sending abusive messages to, and the CoinPoker rep replied in your other threads, and the main thread to you - it was just never good enough, you always moved the goalposts - 'well how about this thing I read on Reddit that I choose to believe, that competitors might have written in one of the most cutthroat industries out there!'

Put names on “he” could mean anyone

It's in his question - Burke.

I don't think those guys are connected to Transparency - who I think is just a disgruntled player that lost and is angry at life and latched onto some personal crusade of 'exposing Coin' and when it didn't go well you started lying and being the unethical one.

But CPHands / Burke are obv friends, ironic that someone who would call Coin shady follows a datamining site.

Show me what I’ve screenshotted and misrepresented ? You don’t like it cause there’s so much of it it’s never ending - “every issue had been addressed” just get fucked with that one and your like the pink hair brigade “vip manager girl sending abusive messages to” are you having a laugh ! Firstly she’s probably an alias with a fake profile and if not in our lengthy discussions on many things (you know like giving micro stakes players a break on rake etc ) “she” asked for directness ie fuck the language get to the point

I never moved any goalposts the goalposts were set from the start, THEY (padsleonard) said they’d have a proof of player funds always available - addressed .. no? They slated blank box rng then quietly switched to it without their own certification and 4mths after launch still don’t have it - addressed no.., They had a security flaw with the desktop when launched … addressed AFTER someone else broke the story, after Caitlin posted about it, after they said there was no issue, AFTER all that they had to admit there was a problem but they fixed it AFTER but luckily nobody we know off lost anything and pads had to roll back and do a 5k charity donation - they misrepresented the 100% rakeback in march addressed AFTER there was uproar
THEY are the gift that keeps on giving I and others have to keep pointing it out and there’s plenty more I just can’t keep on with this now
YOU are full of absolute shite and I’m sorry if you’ve nothing better to do than defend a Company and people that had links to directing websites for cancer and children’s charities to gambling portals, launched dodgy Indian software onto the market with security issues aplenty (never mind btw the APP which has to be continually deleted and re installed fuck knows what it’s doing in the background on peoples phones), removed the oversight on players funds so nobody knows where all this marketing spend is actually coming from, nobody knows what the fairness of the RNG is they use, nobody has any protection whatsoever under their vague and contradictory terms and marketing just “trust us bro” and their history is chequered and linked to other things people got rugged on - you know what that’s enough for now I can’t be arsed communicating with you there’s plenty of content out there you have specific queries maybe they’ll get answered but these broad accusations levied at me that’s just noise to cover for these clowns - and if you think you coming on here to run interference for them does them one bit of good at all well more fool you and them if they sent you

More threats from you, trying to doxx people (or worse?)

You decided on the former and maliciously tried to get the site closed down, tagging regulators in various countries and doxxing the alleged owners, because it gave you personal satisfaction, you enjoy these harassment 'campaigns' as you said yourself.

It's more likely the latter, just being a bit inexperienced because it was a very small site.

It has ended well for them though, they are now much larger

It’s in his question asking about 2 people one of whom me and you you lazy c*** you just use “he”

“Started lying and being the unethical one” - where’s the lies tell me, where’s the PROOF not some bullshit of “well he said this in public but when challenged in private after the fact he gave me this excuse and that makes everything alright Coin are great”

Why does he have a grievance against Coin?

I was clearly talking about the poker industry news website and the article author David Burke
To give me reference about how trustworthy this site & article is

See you just pivot to 'what about this stuff I read on Reddit that anyone could write, in the cutthroat casino industry', and exaggerations.

The minor security thing from March - WolfSec0x0 praised CoinPoker after and said 'players are in good hands' and it had a 'top notch response' but of course you don't mention that.

Of course a brand new software launch might make mistakes, every site does.

It's an offshore crypto poker app on the App store, of course there will be hiccups with the app as well, it's disingenuous to then claim it's doing something to people's phones, just because people might need to reinstall it from time to time.

You doxx yourself when you make allegations like that - that’s the malicious intent

But seemingly I’m malicious for
Informing regulators - when in those countries it’s the site that’s breaking the law
Doxxing the alleged owners - it’s no secret alleged owners Miranda and Grunwerg so what ? This is a poker site with a player bankroll attached acting in a very shady manner

As you said I decided it was the former - that’s my decision but you show me anything illegal in my actions vs theirs 😂

And it hasn’t “ended well” - March was a giveaway 100%, there’s only been 3mths trading since then and nobody knows the state of the finances under the hood - will it still be around in 12mths in any real sense? who knows we’ll see - was it a wasted opportunity by them to have done something great - ABSOLUTELY whatever way the cards fall

Yes “ pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos”

And numbnuts responds with “he” when you asked about 2 parties affiliations so all he had to do was use “Burke” or “Pesos” - I had to read it myself half a dozen times to get what he was alleging in his response

I'm not sure, it seems to be that they are unregulated, not WSOP/GG other sites they like, and something personal with the alleged owner (doxxing him on his homepage and X).

And they also seem to be quite into SEO and tech as they have a network of poker/casino sites and do all this 'analysis' (and datamining), there are a few other sites and X accounts they own who also tweet in the same way about CoinPoker. One of them is tweeting about how Triton regulars are broke, interesting as Coin partnered with Triton recently - they tweeted at Triton before in an angry way when that was announced

And they've often tweeted that Coin apparently 'bought the poker media' so perhaps it's jealously that some site like Coin comes along and so quickly 'takes over' or whatever, in their view.

But if that's true those sites willingly sold to Coin, and it's standard for any company to try and dominate the market if they can, there isn't anything inherently unethical in that, PS obv bought PNews and took 7 years to admit that, but no one really cared except people in the industry.

NO you’ve got the PR version

Minor security “thing”

Wolfsec raised
Caitlin, I and many other shared
CoinPoker came out and said it was all rubbish
Ambassadors told Caitlin it was rubbish there was no threat
THEN they backpedaled and admitted there were actual security flaws that could of left customers exposed (after categorically stating there was NO threat) and Pads made his 5k donation and apologised to Caitlin - and Wolfsec said they handled it well no doubt as he got a bug bounty (which he’d of been entitled to)

That’s not how it should be done - they didn’t own it from the start quite the opposite - and if you read anything I’ve written on these guys it’s that way with everything - that’s how it pans out with them historically - they don’t own issues and the right thing only gets done under pressure

Anyway can either of you Slugant or Jspill say now today that that report on the spyware is false? That we all know that there’s some monitoring of certain limited things but on CoinPoker has there been an overreach and can they do everything that report states ? Can you ? Where’s the CoinPoker official statement dissecting that report ? What can the App do what authorities does it have ? Because your in here arguing and you don’t know - if the author of the report is talking nonsense then coin should say and long long before now

He said players are in good hands and their response was top notch and every poker platform should be held to the standard Coin met.

That's not the PR version it's what happened, and every poker site faces issues like this especially if they undergo a software migration - there are viral issues right now with a major competitor of Coin, and you are silent about it. I won't mention it out of respect to them but it's all over X today.

Of course he did AFTER the fact and no doubt with his bug bounty

CoinPoker “no security risks”

Patrick Leonard the day after the initial Wolfsec report “however the fact remains there were potential vulnerabilities “

It’s all good PR by Coin to downplay it … well not even downplay try and call it a nothing - but it wasn’t that

NO Security Risks is NOT the same as Potential Vulnerabilities

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Viral issues with a competitor
Right for anyone else reading this if you feel you can put together a plethora of stuff on another poker or casino company as has been put out on x and here re Coin you go right ahead and do it - I look at Coin because it's not one thing it's the whole amalgamation - but I do as I please you want to have a go at one of their competitors with the same type of thing if you can find all that go ahead
I don't see anything viral today on anyone else, I saw a few complaints on ACR withdrawal delays that had Chris moneymaker and Rob Khun jump in to help on - you think I would view that in isolation as anything like the cluster**** that is coin Wise up but by all means you go for it