CoinPoker discussion

err, this was 3 months ago - before the NEW and more damning spyware and remote access disclosures.

so really not relevant given the brand's TOTAL silence about this new report - the fake DMCAs to make it go away - also banning anyone on their discord who even mentions this stuff.

also - they didn't say "prove it" yet did they? if . when they do that - i'd say more evidence is likely to come to light - but cp probably knows it's GTO to just STFU and hope this all blows over.

I'm guessing that jspill actually works for clickoutmedia (owners of coinpoker) based on his posts and post history and sneering at this news .. "story" ...

stay classy, shill

jspill does work for coinpoker but has always been open about that

Can he not give you the answer or get you the answer you requested on that spyware report then ?

He did, at least kind of.
The article was written by somebody I cant see as impartial but some things remain a mystery to me.

But seriously, doxing someone with name and picture isnt cool and makes you look like the bad guy in this whole sitation.

So you didn’t get an answer then 🙄

I didn’t dox him, he doxxed himself

A "journalist" that tweets things like
scam site
you are part of it now
cringe
isnt a proper journalist in my book

But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no

Decent, not conclusive. I am happy with it so who are you tell me what kind of answer I should be happy with.

And the tweet im quoting is in this very thread, did you miss it somehow?
Post 101 fyi

seems fair to say this to "influencers" who know full-well about this spyware.
they are part of the scam - shamelessly sending victims in to get fleeced by a faceless criminal organization.

so - which part of the statement wasn't true?

seems like "real talk",

not misdirection [like this whole topic].
it's not relevant to the actual story .

also note from the journalist twitter bio that they are a poker player - and part of the community -
Clearly this research serves that community.

do you work for clickoutmedia too? #smokeandmirrors.

You said publicly it needed addressing, there was no public response just some half baked private one to you

If you mean the other guy not me called CoinPoker a scam site you should of made that clearer - because my position all along has been Coin should be transparent and answer serious questions to their player base (which I believe you intimated too)

Any company that had the type of serious allegations being made about their product as that guy has done would rebut quickly and publicly - and as your “mate” said if they were malicious and untrue would no doubt take legal action - none of that has been done

You see it doesn’t matter to you guys what’s asked and how it’s answered / non answered you just toe the Company line . Go look through the discord (some of which has been posted on X today) I’ve never seen so much discontent from customers . EVERYTHING with Coin is “let’s try it on see how much we can get away with”, your dismissive of lengthy reports on their current (and past) behaviour in different vehicles/entities your just suffering from some weird Stockholm syndrome - even when you get a wishy washy answer to something you find important and only privately you’ll defend them and throw shade. It’s just really boring listening to you all now, anyone sending anyone in here to “fight the good fight” they are just wasting their time - it is what it is and unless there was some sea change in attitude by the powers that be (which I can’t see happening) this will continue - they provide the ammo for it week in week out

Haha. So weird this guy's debating strategy is to try to doxx people or boast about driving people to suicide with his 'campaigns'.

Exactly, they come off more shady than they claim Coin to be.

There’s no debate with you, your a fucking idiot and by the sounds of it engaged in all types of nefarious activity

You doxxed yourself

I never drove anybody to anything, I followed a fully legal process… the guy couldn’t handle the pressure and took the easy way out that’s irrelevant to me

You also linked it to random people that won $2 in a freeroll, and X accounts that aren't influencers or affiliates.

An actual journalist or classy person would contact CoinPoker for comment before desperately spamming it everywhere and declaring it true (also without stating you are the source of it). You and Transparency have an existing personal grievance against the site and engage in rogue tactics, you come off as worse ITT as Slugant said.

Rogue tactics, your company has right of reply on anything and everything . The best it can do is send you clowns in to make noise . I don’t have any more time for this today it really is fucking boring dealing with you nobody’s

Transparency brought it up as if it was relevant, whenever he's beaten on a point he brings up something else.

I wanted to know if the article was credible enough that it requires a public statement
It wasnt imo and so a response here from jspill was enough

Sites do not have to publicly inform about each allegation
Otherwise they have to dish out 50 press releases a day from people saying the RNG is rigged because they run bad. Those allegations arent credible enough to respond to and neither is the article I was asking about.

But you seem very impartial unbiased and not at all emotionally connected here so GL with everything :p

“I just thought it would be helpful and interesting if CP made a clear statement about the article instead of the bitchfight between you and Jeff&Trans”

That was your position on seeing the article - and let’s assume that would be most normal people’s position

But you’ve pivoted from that position to “I’ll be the arbiter for everyone, some things are still a mystery to me but now nobody else needs a public statement as I’m still slightly confused but happy” - the very thing you said was required is now not required on your say so

ALL this is now is twisting and deflecting . The Wolfsec article got brought up as it was mentioned as “a minor thing” by Jspill (in having to lay out all the deflection that Coin have been doing this year) - that simply wasn’t the case which required a timeline of how that played out to set that straight

The 100% rakeback “thing that I was wrong on” - again nonsense it was a complete misrepresentation by Coin for a fortnight, they only did the right thing under public pressure

This is why this takes so long and is so laborious. Whatever was said to you in private about a major allegation that affects every player, why is that not fit for publication ? If there is no basis for the allegation why isn’t it firmly denied, that takes 1 paragraph - none of this is done

Keep going lads but your doing yourselves and Coin no favours, everything said and posted stands up to scrutiny on my end if only as a valid questions - there haven’t been answers . You frame this as a few people with some “personal vendetta” and yet it’s rampant the disquiet about how coin treat their customers - RAMPANT . And it’s because there’s no straight talking dialogue that this has snowballed - Bots, 100% rakeback, Proof of Reserves, Increased Rake, Predatory Terms and Conditions, Security issues initially denied (well denied months ago, no comment on the latest), Owners past history, Bait and Switch Marketing, Ambassadors who promise to be there “if the shit hits the fan” who go silent, DM’s trying to silence “Zero risk to players” and ALL the rest it’s just too voluminous to fit all in, it’s all just PR fluff hoping nobody catches on - let’s see where you are in 12 mths time

This “campaign” I’m on you honestly think I think it will change how the cards fall with this ? No and I don’t expect it to - what it does do is give nobody connected any room for manoeuvre if this all goes to shit . Anybody who promoted anything to do with this in a bad ending can’t play the “oh well we didn’t know” card - there’s a long public time stamped record of everything and in a scenario like that those people will be lucky to get sweeping the floor of a poker room in the future - and they’ll deserve that as there’s no due diligence been done here by any promoter it’s just “give me the money” . Even Leonard admitted I seemed reasonable on our first encounter and I was - I said plainly I don’t like to see guys setting themselves up for a fall, to go away and do the due diligence and come back, same to Carrell and they did nothing . So it is what it is now and we’ll see what happens

Have ACR done a proof of reserves report? I have nothing against them particularly but you are focusing on the fact that Coin did a snapshot, then removed it, yet not on sites that never did one at all? Why?

You were replied to with an answer by the Coin rep about the reasoning - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Having a live PoR showing the wallets is a security risk, it's better being done as a snapshot, periodically, they might do one again later. But that just wasn't good enough for you. So 'no answers' is another lie, you just always move the goalposts.

While Moneymaker claims it's 4 days, some players report 6, 7, 17 days, one said 3 months, in the main X thread re: ACR withdrawals.

You often criticized CoinPoker for its withdrawal speed, which is nowhere near that slow, since you left the site it's sometimes now instant, and if not then 1-2 hours, sometimes up to 7.

You've mocked the withdrawal speed on CoinPoker on X, e.g. based on one guy saying it was 7 hours.

But 7 days to 3 months on ACR is no big deal, and you defend them on X? This is quite a double standard.

Similarly ACR haven't made a post about catching bots, since the Coin one, but your grievance with Coin for some reason is they haven't done any more posts since. It doesn't make sense.

PROOF OF RESERVES - No ACR haven’t, nor did they ever as far as I’m aware in their 26 YR history . But you offered it as something ongoing re Patrick Leonard and it was done to garner trust in a new site . In isolation (and I keep saying 1 thing is never enough) not that big a deal - but it just disappearing along with new ownership having a chequered history… that causes concern . As does Mosbock in DM’s alluding to 3x player funds as further reserves which quite frankly I don’t believe . The answer given re security, if that’s valid why did you ever put them up ? Was that not identified as a weakness then when first talked about ? Do you not think things through and just launch them and have to walk them back when security concerns that should be obvious appear thereafter ?

BOTS - Your bot timing causes concern and I said that in private at the time - it was social media suicide and even worded incorrectly . It’s way way too coincidental the timing of that near relaunch . There was no public spreadsheet of accounts to be credited nor the bot accounts, nobody knows who or what was credited that’s “trust us bro”. Never anything before and never any mention after just a big PR push right before the March lift off. I reported suspected bot activity myself along with videos etc no feedback at all . AGAIN on its own maybe you let it slide but …

I mocked the withdrawal speed on Coin as you forget I was playing there so it was first hand experience . I’d seen it slide on my own account and along with other things I just got very uncomfortable with the site. That was around September ‘25 it was only 6mths later when all the other stuff started with no straight answers coming in private that you got public pushback from me …. And then I started to look at other things and none of it was good

You wonder why I don’t criticise ACR or other sites as much as Coin (and I certainly don’t “defend” them - re ACR obviously people are experiencing delays that’s noted but you have Moneymaker and Khun responding and dealing AND they have a LONG LONG history - could they be in trouble, could they go under ? ANYONE COULD but I’m not going to go hell for leather at anyone for that on some initial few delays not a chance)

You’re accusing me of a double standard - NO I totally refute that . I’ve been around since online gambling started and in business long before that - and I don’t act in haste I evaluate and study

CoinPoker is a NEW site, the past means nothing . It’s been bought over by guys who don’t appear to have a great track record - AGAIN (I’m going to have to keep saying this) on its own not that big a deal everyone does stuff at certain points in time . BUT the mindset that has become totally apparent is they are employing tactics that are anything but customer friendly . There is little to no Transparency (hence my handle on 2+2), you SAY they give answers …. You can’t kid a kidder mate it’s PR fluff very little if any stands up to scrutiny- a BS answer doesn’t count as an answer

My own PERSONAL view is this re coin and its owners - let’s call it an educated guess - They’ll have a go at it, unable to shake off the way they seem to have done business up to now which is “grab all you can” and if it works out well and good . If it doesn’t and it looks like a pup, with the way it’s set up and the protections that are in place re t+c’s etc it would certainly be an easy rug. That’s all speculation .

And that’s why I call them stupid, if the intent was to be the next big thing (which if you’d of asked me in early ‘25 if they could of been id of said absolutely) they have not learned the golden rule - your customers are your lifeblood you can fuck everybody else around you but without your customers your nothing . And I speak from experience because there’s still quite a bit of folklore of how I and others conducted business back in the day - and it doesn’t even touch the sides of what actually went on - but our customers ? We never did ONE a bad turn. Apart from the totally brain dead/stockholm syndrome ones (of which there are a few granted this customer base lends itself to that) those still onboard at Coin know they aren’t been engaged with properly - that was the worst possible move to ever make … Stupid

And if hypothetically they are bent and just in for a quick buck and run - well then they are equally if not more stupid because they’d give scammers a bad name with the way it’s being done

So when you say you don’t “get” why you’re being treated differently … Your only the new kids on the block and you’ve done sweet fuck all to earn anything as yet, quite the opposite . And did I mention your stupid …I think I might of
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Posts are now being deleted on this thread - mods what’s the reason ?

Which posts? By whom?

My posts Mike - so how or why were they removed ?

None of your posts have been deleted for a while.

A minor edit of your intended doxxing post of about 12 hours ago was made to remove name and occupation.

No doxxing he publicly declared that on his rakeback piece . No matter it’s been put on X and a shoutout to the Royal Thai Police.

You’ve removed a lot more than that Mike the last post was taken out too and I’ll have to go through screenshots for the rest … here’s the text from the last one it must of got “mislaid” somehow

“They protect the PLAYERS from Gov overreach … the players are the ones the FULL responsibility is put on with your t+c’s . That’s utter nonsense

Similar to ACR ? I don’t believe ACR have in their t+c’s anything about USA as a whole being restricted territory … just checked and screenshot they don’t

GG I don’t think you can play in USA unless you do with VPN and then your in breach and taking your chance - and regardless what many might perceive that’s not some unwritten rule “go ahead we won’t do anything about it”

You worry about YOU not the rest - ACR and GG have fully certified RNG where’s yours ?

I could drop correspondence (UNRELATED to anything to do with COIN etc before you make that incorrect assumption) to NAMED CEO’s in either of those firms and many many others across the gambling world and get a response - your owners don’t even want identified
FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY I HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED WITH ANY OF THOSE CEO’s anything to do with what’s being posted etc re Coin

ACR and GG both have long track records, what’s yours ? Owners that appear to have been involved with businesses where customers have lost money, directing children’s/cancer charity’s web addresses to gambling sites - that’s your “history”

ACR and GG (yep they run it but so what) can be patched up at the WSOP, nobody wants the stink of coin anywhere near it

ACR and GG have pretty straightforward rakeback schemes - customers have some feel at least for what their due - Yours …. It’s pin a tail on a donkey

ACR and GG both have anti cheat systems in place - but neither to the best of my knowledge have the type of invasive stuff at play yours is purported to have - and if it doesn’t you’ve done sweet nothing to give your customer base any comfort - you keep mentioning Wolfsec, you were very quick to come out on that one … not a thing on the latest report

ACR and GG didn’t run a whole campaign about black box RNG being untrustworthy to them turn round and use it

You want to cherry pick “oh what about Xxx company” Just to be clear and I think you might all be being a bit too full of yourselves - GG and ACR are on a completely different level to where you are or indeed where I think now you’ll ever be. Your the “low rent option” of the poker world, you fulfil a purpose letting people that otherwise would have difficulties playing, you got a bit of traction in March and you’ll destroy any good will you have with players as you go along. And yes I’m a player have been since long before you were born”

Why are you posting the same stuff again?